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  1. Constitutional Carry picks up steam in Wisconsin

    It's been a couple weeks since the satisfying federal and state elections. Here in Wisconsin, we now have a republican controlled state senate, assembly, and a republican governor. The last time conceal carry legislation passed both state houses with veto proof majorities here in Wisconsin it was despite democrat control of those legislative bodies. Of course we all know Gov. Doyle vetoed that legislation.

    MANY democrats in the state fully support conceal carry, but there are a few for whom many concessions were made to the last bill in front of the legislature to get that legislation to the governor. With republican control of both state houses the realties have DRASTICALLY shifted. Those concessions are NO longer necessary.

    Right now one can open-carry in Wisconsin with NO permit and no registration, etc. 1000's of people open carry every day in Wisconsin. Conceal carry however is banned. In other states there are 2 kinds of conceal carry situations. Some states have what's called "shall issue" laws which means if you meet the qualifications set forth, the state MUST issue you a permit. Some of those qualifications include registration in the form of a permit, a permit tax that can vary widely, from a few $ to hundreds of dollars, mandatory training classes that may cost several hundred dollars, and sometimes even fingerprinting and frequent renewals where you must again pay an expensive permit fee and get re-fingerprinted. The other danger in a shall-issue permit system is that even if the original law has only a small permit tax, in future years when perhaps the state legislature is NOT as gun-rights friendly, they could EASILY jack up the permit tax to HUNDREDS of dollars through a simple budget bill and effectively stifle the ability of many people to afford to renew their permit. Its a dangerous slippery slope that leaves your right to carry at risk to future legislators. We know the Wisconsin legislature/governor is VERY pro-carry right now. You can't be sure after future elections it will be.

    The trend is for more and more states to simply allow all law-abiding citizens to carry concealed without a permit. This is called "constitution carry". Constitution carry means you DO NOT have to register with the government, pay expensive fees for a permit, and be required to take expensive mandatory government training classes. You simply have a right to carry in the manner of your choosing as the constitution provides. There are 3 states that allow "constitution carry" Vermont, Alaska, and Arizona. Arizona just passed constitution carry last year. Other states including Utah and Texas are likely to become "constitution carry" states in the next year.

    The last time conceal carry was in the legislature, the reality was a shall issue law or no concealed carry. That has changed. NOW with a republican senate, assembly, and governor, the two choices facing Wisconsin are a shall-issue permit system OR constitution carry. One of those options is a virtual certainty this next legislative session. It will be up to YOU to decide which it will be.

    There are a number of reasons why constitution carry is the preferred scenario.

    As I mentioned above, a shall-issue permit system means you have to register with the government, pay a permit tax (fee), possibly take expensive mandatory government training classes costing hundreds of dollars and even in some cases get fingerprinted.

    In addition, a permit system would require a great deal of NEW government resources and databases to administer. This cost would amount to MILLIONS of dollars to implement a system and hundreds of new state government employees to staff that bureaucracy at a time when WISCONSIN IS IN A FISCAL CRISIS. As you all know, "smaller government" is the trend right now and a shall-issue permit bureaucracy flies in the face of that.

    Constitution carry would require no fee's, no mandatory government training, no fingerprinting, no new bureaucracy, no waiting months for your permit and no future renewal requirements where you have to go through and pay all that again. Wisconsin Statute 941.23 is the conceal carry ban. If that 130+ year old statute was simply repealed, Wisconsin would become a Constitution Carry state. Wisconsin also needs to repeal 167.31 which would allow you to carry in your vehicle (currently you have to unload and encase your weapon when you get in your car)

    Wisconsin Carry believes there will never be a better time to get constitution carry in Wisconsin than RIGHT now.:

    -At their state convention in Milwaukee this past summer, the Wisconsin Republican Party voted the right to carry concealed WITHOUT a permit into their official platform.

    -Wisconsin Governor Elect Scott Walker has gone ON RECORD stating that IF the legislature gets a repeal of 941.23 to his desk, HE WILL SIGN IT.

    -We have a republican controlled state senate, assembly, and republican governor.

    There is NO reason we can't have Constitution Carry in Wisconsin. We just need to let our legislators know that is what we want.

    Wisconsin Carry, Inc. has been contacted by the United States Conceal Carry Association which has a huge national AND in-state footprint. The USCCA and Wisconsin Carry are in agreement that Constitution Carry is right for Wisconsin and feasible this legislative session.

    Wisconsin Carry and the USCCA will be working together on this issue to present a united front in Wisconsin to obtain Constitution Carry for our law-abiding residents.

    WHAT CAN YOU DO.

    With YOUR help we can make this happen. 3 things. Contact your state senator and assemblymen, Contact Governor Elect Scott Walker, and Contact OTHER gun-rights groups in Wisconsin and ask them to join Wisconsin Carry AND the USCCA and present a united front seeking Constitution Carry In Wisconsin.

    First, contact your state senator and assembly person and ask that they support Constitution Carry. Politely share with them that since any law abiding citizen in Wisconsin carry currently open-carry with no permit, it makes no sense to have to register with the government and pay expensive permit taxes and submit to mandatory government training just to be able to conceal.

    Ask your legislators to support a repeal of 941.23 and 167.31. Share with them that Wisconsin is facing a fiscal crisis, and there is nothing to gain from enacting a new bureaucracy to administer a shall-issue permit system.

    You can find your legislators here:

    Who Are My Legislators?

    Many legislators were just elected 2 weeks ago and they will not take office until Jan 3rd. You should be able to contact those legislators through their campaign websites/facebook pages etc.

    Here is a link to all the state election results:

    Fall 2010 general election results - JSOnline

    Second here is a link to contact options to contact Governor Elect Scott Walker. Governor Walker is already on record stating he will sign a repeal of 941.23. Thank him for agreeing to sign that repeal. Ask him to ask the legislature to get a quick clean bill to his desk that would repeal 941.23 and 167.31, which would cost the state nothing, provide our LONG awaited right to conceal carry and allow the state to move on to the business of fixing Wisconsin's fiscal crisis.

    email: [email protected]

    mail:

    Office of Governor-Elect Scott Walker
    17 West Main Street, Suite 301
    Madison WI 53702

    suggestion form: Citizen Suggestions

    THIRD Contact other gun rights groups in Wisconsin and politely ask them to JOIN Wisconsin Carry, Inc. and the United States Conceal Carry Association to present a united front to bring Constitution Carry to Wisconsin. Many of these groups are currently evaluating their position on conceal carry given the election results. Let them know that you support Consitution Carry and you hope they do as well.

    Wisconsin Concealed Carry Association:

    WCCA
    N3292 County Rd E
    REDGRANITE, WI 54970
    Wisconsin Concealed Weapons, The Wisconsin Concealed Carry Association

    BY PHONE: 920.295.9435

    BY EMAIL: info @ wisconsinconcealedcarry.com

    BOARD MEMBERS:
    Bill Schmitz, Chairman
    bill.schmitz @ wisconsinconcealedcarry.com

    WI-Force: (state NRA chartered association)

    Wi-FORCE - Wisconsin's NRA State Association

    President:
    Jeff Nass
    [email protected]
    N615 Silver Ln.
    Pulaski WI 54162-8320
    920-687-0505

    Vice President:
    Jim Proulx
    [email protected]
    9356 W. Dixon St.
    Milwaukee, Wi. 53214-1268
    414-778-1898

    Treasurer:
    Paul Baumann
    [email protected]
    P.O.Box 808
    Kenosha, WI 53141-0808
    Phone: 262-551-7848

    Secretary:
    Gary Nichols
    [email protected]
    W271N7055 Hansen Dr
    Sussex, WI 53089
    262-246-3317
    Cell 262-364-8737

    National Rifle Association Contacts:

    NRA Director:
    Buster Bachhuber
    [email protected]
    2603 Julip Drive
    Wausau, WI 54401
    (715) 675-9230

    NRA Field Representative:
    Scott Taetsch
    [email protected]
    PO Box 157
    Gleason, WI 54435-0157
    Office: 715-873-3360
    Fax: 715-873-3361

    NRA-ILA Representative:
    Jordan Austin
    [email protected]
    National Rifle Association
    11250 Waples Mill Road
    Fairfax, VA 22030
    702-267-1222


    NRA-ILA Grassroots Coordinator:
    Katrina Ruminski
    [email protected]
    NRA-ILA Grassroots Division
    11250 Waples Mill Road
    Fairfax, VA 22030
    Phone: (703) 267-1194
    Fax: (703) 267-3918

    Carry On!
    Last edited by lukem; 11-28-2010 at 06:57 PM.

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  3. I have emailed my district congressman, explaining what I as a Wisconsin resident would expect. Rather than leaving up to them to decide what they think is best for us. Feel free to copy the format if you would like to send something to your representative.

    Dear Senator Carpenter,

    I am writing to you regarding my right of self protection, the second amendment of the United States and our own state Constitution. The right to keep and bear arms was so important to our forefathers they chose to make it second only to the right to our freedom of speech. For many years government has been restricting this right more and more, making it nearly impossible for the average citizen to exercise this guaranteed right. It is my understanding that you and other Wisconsin Senate members are contemplating a concealed carry permit system for Wisconsin that would require special licensing and mandatory training. I do not agree with this action as no other right guaranteed by our Constitution requires any type of license or training. Currently we are legally able to carry firearms openly with out a license, registration or any mandated training, so to make it a requirement now would be against our own constitution and a reversal of rights we already have. Making these requirements degrades the right to a privilege. The right to defend oneself should never become a privilege. I believe the best position for Wisconsin to take would be constitutional carry, where the constitution is the only documentation needed to exercise our guaranteed right to keep and bear arms. If a person is legally able to purchase a weapon, that person should be able to carry a firearm where ever and how ever he or she feels is necessary.

    When criminals have greater rights than victims, there is a serious problem. A problem Wisconsin currently has. Wisconsin needs to enact a castle doctrine so the citizens of this state can defend themselves from violent criminals and not fear reprisal or a civil suit. The right of self protection is not limited to the household, and neither should our rights. I should have the right to protect myself where ever I may legally be. Feel good laws like the gun free school zone do nothing to prevent criminals from carrying guns, only honest law abiding citizens are going to follow these laws. I should be able to walk out of my yard in my own neighborhood armed with out risk of arrest and a felony charge just because there is a school with in a quarter mile from my home. Car jacking and kidnapping are real threats in todays world, we deserve the right to protect ourselves when driving also. Laws that prevent concealed carry and restrictive transportation laws were put into place to protect the police, but left the citizens at risk. I would hope as a representative of the people of Wisconsin it would be your intent to protect your constituents and their rights.

    In closing, I would ask you to look toward states such as Vermont, Arizona and Alaska that currently have constitutional carry in place, and states like Utah and Texas that are poised to approve it this year. Wisconsin need to be in the forefront for the peoples rights. The right to keep and bear arms must be protected as our forefathers intended, not as our elected bureaucrats choose to allow. It is equally important that we enact laws to reverse the trend of granting greater rights to criminals than the victims they prey upon. Wisconsin should repeal the Constitutionally illegal gun free school zone and apply pressure to the federal government to repeal the law completely. Criminals will not obey these laws, and it is foolish to expect them to. Finally Wisconsin need to eliminate the overly restrictive transportation laws. The right to protect oneself, family or property where ever that person may be should never be a question, but upheld as the right it really is.


    Sincerely,

    3rd District
    Wisconsin

  4. Thanks for the help. I have contacted my representatives and will continue to do so throughout the year.

    Quote Originally Posted by bigdaddy1 View Post
    I have emailed my district congressman, explaining what I as a Wisconsin resident would expect. Rather than leaving up to them to decide what they think is best for us. Feel free to copy the format if you would like to send something to your representative.

    Dear Senator Carpenter,

    I am writing to you regarding my right of self protection, the second amendment of the United States and our own state Constitution. The right to keep and bear arms was so important to our forefathers they chose to make it second only to the right to our freedom of speech. For many years government has been restricting this right more and more, making it nearly impossible for the average citizen to exercise this guaranteed right. It is my understanding that you and other Wisconsin Senate members are contemplating a concealed carry permit system for Wisconsin that would require special licensing and mandatory training. I do not agree with this action as no other right guaranteed by our Constitution requires any type of license or training. Currently we are legally able to carry firearms openly with out a license, registration or any mandated training, so to make it a requirement now would be against our own constitution and a reversal of rights we already have. Making these requirements degrades the right to a privilege. The right to defend oneself should never become a privilege. I believe the best position for Wisconsin to take would be constitutional carry, where the constitution is the only documentation needed to exercise our guaranteed right to keep and bear arms. If a person is legally able to purchase a weapon, that person should be able to carry a firearm where ever and how ever he or she feels is necessary.

    When criminals have greater rights than victims, there is a serious problem. A problem Wisconsin currently has. Wisconsin needs to enact a castle doctrine so the citizens of this state can defend themselves from violent criminals and not fear reprisal or a civil suit. The right of self protection is not limited to the household, and neither should our rights. I should have the right to protect myself where ever I may legally be. Feel good laws like the gun free school zone do nothing to prevent criminals from carrying guns, only honest law abiding citizens are going to follow these laws. I should be able to walk out of my yard in my own neighborhood armed with out risk of arrest and a felony charge just because there is a school with in a quarter mile from my home. Car jacking and kidnapping are real threats in todays world, we deserve the right to protect ourselves when driving also. Laws that prevent concealed carry and restrictive transportation laws were put into place to protect the police, but left the citizens at risk. I would hope as a representative of the people of Wisconsin it would be your intent to protect your constituents and their rights.

    In closing, I would ask you to look toward states such as Vermont, Arizona and Alaska that currently have constitutional carry in place, and states like Utah and Texas that are poised to approve it this year. Wisconsin need to be in the forefront for the peoples rights. The right to keep and bear arms must be protected as our forefathers intended, not as our elected bureaucrats choose to allow. It is equally important that we enact laws to reverse the trend of granting greater rights to criminals than the victims they prey upon. Wisconsin should repeal the Constitutionally illegal gun free school zone and apply pressure to the federal government to repeal the law completely. Criminals will not obey these laws, and it is foolish to expect them to. Finally Wisconsin need to eliminate the overly restrictive transportation laws. The right to protect oneself, family or property where ever that person may be should never be a question, but upheld as the right it really is.


    Sincerely,

    3rd District
    Wisconsin

  5. Great posting BNH...Thanks...
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    If Wisconsin does become "shall issue" and requires a normal fee for a CCW permit (something on the order of $25 annually), the courts might strike down an attempt to impose an extreme increase later, especially if it was an obvious ploy to discourage people from obtaining a permit.

    Some Democrat in New Jersey wants to make the Soprano State "shall issue"—at a fee of $500 a year. (NJ, where the annual property taxes on a three-bedroom ranch house can be $10,000, is broke, is case you didn't know.)

  7. NRA Supporting Constitutional Carry in Iowa. Wisconsin is next (we hope)

    The NRA-ILA has pulbicly come out in SUPPORT of Constitutional Carry for the state of Iowa. Where as Wisconsin continues to make progress regarding our right to keep and bear arms, and where as the Wisconsin Legislature is expected to take up concealed carry legislation in 2011, we would HOPE the NRA-ILA would come forward and support CONSTITUTIONAL CARRY for Wisconsin in 2011 as well.

    NRA-ILA :: NRA to Pursue Aggressive Agenda During Iowa

  8. I don't understand how they can support it in one state and not for all? Unless I am mistaken, this is still all one country. The NRA needs to get off its collective azzes and get unified.

  9. #8
    I don't understand how they can support it in one state and not for all? Unless I am mistaken, this is still all one country.

    I think that in principle they do support Constitutional Carry in all states, even gun-phobic New Jersey and Maryland, where there's no chance whatsoever of winning CC through the legislature, at least at present. Unless you were confident the U.S. Supreme Court would strike down the concealed carry laws in those states (doubtful), it would probably be smart not to pick a fight you're going to lose.

    In the case of Wisconsin, trying for progress a step at a time might make the most sense. If first you win "shall issue," it will be much easier to win Constitutional Carry later, after the dire predictions of the anti-gun crowd don't come about. Of course, you have to know the politics of the state and what is realistically possible. Remember, 25 years ago both Alaska and Arizona were "no issue." Before they could become CC, they had to see that having law-abiding citizens armed was actually positive for the state. An attempt to force those states to jump immediately from "no issue" to CC would have failed.

    The Supreme Court made favorable rulings in Heller and McDonald, but they noted specifically that the decisions would not affect state laws regarding carrying concealed. The Supreme Court was a big help against the outright gun bans of crime-ridden cities run by authoritarian leftists, but most of the progress in concealed carry has come from victories in state legislatures, not the courts.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by bigdaddy1 View Post
    I don't understand how they can support it in one state and not for all? Unless I am mistaken, this is still all one country. The NRA needs to get off its collective azzes and get unified.

    It isn't the NRA so to speak. It is the NRA liaison for Wisconsin that has his head in the Keester of Gene German and is strongly in favor of mandated training. He is the one who is over looking Constitutional carry for wisconsin. He has is sights set on Shall issue with mandatory training. try to change his mind and see how many names he calls you just like he did me. I know his superiors were not happy about his lack of professionalism when I spoke to them. It may be best to skip past him and work with his superiors. maybe then we will get something done in Wisconsin.

  11. Does this bozo run or have an interest in a training business???? If so that would be a BIG conflict of interest and he should be removed from his position.

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