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  1. #61
    HERE IS THE LOOPHOLE:


    chose to submit to a background check that is comparable to the check conducted under Wisconsin law

    When the Wisconsin Background check is defined,(most likely the NICS/FBI check)then those other states that OFFER THE SAME BACKGROUND CHECKwill be accepted in The State of Wisconsin.

    I can just see Lauren Cnare pulling her already thinning hair out! "Not in Madison they wont!"
    Unfortunately Ms Cnare is about to be constitutionally beyach slapped all up and down the block if sge tries to pass local ordinance prohibiting carry of concealed in all areas of Madison as she is allegedly trying to do. THIS ONE you need to watch. Snakey beyach. Pardon my language.
    " We came,We Saw,We kicked their asses and when the screaming stopped,the blood dried,the smoke cleared and the dust settled...PEACE WAS RESTORED"

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  3. #62
    Quote Originally Posted by cortchubby View Post
    HERE IS THE LOOPHOLE:


    chose to submit to a background check that is comparable to the check conducted under Wisconsin law

    When the Wisconsin Background check is defined,(most likely the NICS/FBI check)then those other states that OFFER THE SAME BACKGROUND CHECKwill be accepted in The State of Wisconsin.

    I can just see Lauren Cnare pulling her already thinning hair out! "Not in Madison they wont!"
    Unfortunately Ms Cnare is about to be constitutionally beyach slapped all up and down the block if sge tries to pass local ordinance prohibiting carry of concealed in all areas of Madison as she is allegedly trying to do. THIS ONE you need to watch. Snakey beyach. Pardon my language.

    FWIW...

    The background check is already defined:

    (9g) BACKGROUND CHECKS. (a) The department shall
    conduct a background check regarding an applicant for
    a license using the following procedure:
    1. The department shall create a confirmation num-
    ber associated with the applicant.
    2. The department shall conduct a criminal history
    record search and shall search its records and conduct a
    search in the national instant criminal background check
    system to determine whether the applicant is prohibited
    from possessing a firearm under federal law; whether the
    applicant is prohibited from possessing a firearm under
    s. 941.29; whether the applicant is prohibited from pos-
    sessing a firearm under s. 51.20 (13) (cv) 1., 2007 stats.;
    whether the applicant has been ordered not to possess a
    firearm under s. 51.20 (13) (cv) 1., 51.45 (13) (i) 1., 54.10
    (3) (f) 1., or 55.12 (10) (a); whether the applicant is sub-
    ject to an injunction under s. 813.12 or 813.122, or a tribal
    injunction, as defined in s. 813.12 (1) (e), issued by a
    court established by any federally recognized Wisconsin
    Indian tribe or band, except the Menominee Indian tribe
    of Wisconsin, that includes notice to the respondent that
    he or she is subject to the requirements and penalties
    under s. 941.29 and that has been filed with the circuit
    court under s. 806.247 (3); and whether the applicant is
    prohibited from possessing a firearm under s. 813.125
    (4m); and to determine if the court has prohibited the
    applicant from possessing a dangerous weapon under s.
    969.02 (3) (c) or 969.03 (1) (c) and if the applicant is prohibited from possessing a dangerous weapon as a condition of release under s. 969.01.

  4. #63
    Great! now all we have to do is WAIT UNTIL NOVEMBER until DOJ posts the official reciprocity list
    Half the battle down...half to go.
    " We came,We Saw,We kicked their asses and when the screaming stopped,the blood dried,the smoke cleared and the dust settled...PEACE WAS RESTORED"

  5. #64

    Back ground check.

    So now that we have the actual law about WI bg checks,we can compare it to other states criteria and have a reasonable idea as to which states will be accepted in WI. unless of course you want to call DOJ and ask...
    " We came,We Saw,We kicked their asses and when the screaming stopped,the blood dried,the smoke cleared and the dust settled...PEACE WAS RESTORED"

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    Quote Originally Posted by cortchubby View Post
    So now that we have the actual law about WI bg checks,we can compare it to other states criteria and have a reasonable idea as to which states will be accepted in WI. unless of course you want to call DOJ and ask...
    Am I missing something? It doesn't matter to WI residents which states WI recognizes, as a WI resident I HAVE to have a WI permit. It only matters to non-residents.

    As to which out of state permit WI will recognize for WI residents as proof of training for a WI permit, the answer is all of them as long as they haven't been revoked. They can even be expired!

  7. I don't know whether or not Wisconsin will offer reciprocity with other states but I do know that there are some instructors out there that offer both the Wisconsin permit and another state that does have reciprocity. One such example is Concealed Carry Classes | Equip 2 Conceal You can take their class to get the Wisconsin permit and Florida permit which offers reciprocity with over 30 other states.
    Concealed Carry Permits in Wisconsin, Iowa, Colorado and Florida:

    www.equip2conceal.com

  8. #67

    Wrong!

    WE are discussing which states will be accepted by WI. We already know that as a WI resident you are afforded SHALL ISSUe.

    The point of the many many SPECULATIONS is which states permits will WI accept.And which states will honor the wisconsin ccw. And No sorry,if its expired it is null and void and cannot be uses as proof of anything other than you HAD one (past tense) and were in the system at one time.
    You are Off base quoting this information to people out here without legal foundation. And ONCE AGAIN,since we are ALL AWARE THAT WI WILL ISSUE TO WI RESIDENTS THE ONLY QUESTION IS WHICH STATES WILL WISCONSIN ACCEPT PERMITS FROM and WHICH STATES WILL ACCEPT THE WI PERMIT. UNTIL THERE IS A DEFINITIVE ANSWER IN WRITING FROM THE WI DOJ REGARDING RECIPROCITY,NO ONE CAN QUOTE AN OFFICIAL ANSWER. I SUGGEST THAT IF YOU NEED TO KNOW YOU LOOK UP WISCONSIN STATE LAW AND CONTACT THE DOJ as the DOJ is the ONLY one that can officially answer this inquiry(as stated many times prior to this)
    NONE OF US INCLUDING YOU WILL KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS QUESTION BEFORE NOVEMBER 1ST 2011.

    So lets recap:

    a. wisconsin is shall issue to residents only.
    b. we DO NOT KNOW which state permits WI will accept.
    c. we DO NOT KNOW which states will accept the WI permit.
    d. THE DOJ will publish this list and info on 01 Nov 2011.
    e. Until 01 Nov 2011,NO ONE will know the Official answer to this.


    Hopefully this clears up any mis information you have and ends this incessant back and forth over something NO ONE knows the answer to until November 01 2011.

    Until 01 Nov 2011, OPEN CARRY ONLY IS LEGAL IN WISCONSIN.
    " We came,We Saw,We kicked their asses and when the screaming stopped,the blood dried,the smoke cleared and the dust settled...PEACE WAS RESTORED"

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    Quote Originally Posted by cortchubby View Post
    And No sorry,if its expired it is null and void and cannot be uses as proof of anything other than you HAD one (past tense) and were in the system at one time.
    You are Off base quoting this information to people out here without legal foundation.
    Hmmm.....

    175.60(4)(a)(3) A current or expired license, or a photocopy of a current or expired license, that the individual holds or has held that indicates that the individual is licensed or has been licensed to carry a firearm in this state or in another state or in a county or municipality of this state or of another state unless the license has been revoked for cause.
    I'm glad I don't know what I'm talking about....

    Quote Originally Posted by cortchubby View Post
    So lets recap:

    a. wisconsin is shall issue to residents only.
    b. we DO NOT KNOW which state permits WI will accept.
    c. we DO NOT KNOW which states will accept the WI permit.
    d. THE DOJ will publish this list and info on 01 Nov 2011.
    e. Until 01 Nov 2011,NO ONE will know the Official answer to this.
    I agree with that except for a slight correction on b. We DO know which states WI should recognize for non-residents to carry in WI. Any state that requires a background check or has an optional background check as long as it is noted on the permit that the permit holder opted for it.

    165.25 (12) RULES REGARDING CONCEALED WEAPONSLICENSES. Promulgate by rule a list of states that issue a
    permit, license, approval, or other authorization to carry
    a concealed weapon if the permit, license, approval, or
    other authorization requires, or designates that the holder
    chose to submit to, a background search that is compara-
    ble to a background check as defined in s. 175.60 (1) (ac).
    In addition (see above), we know that WI will accept ALL permits as proof of training. So..... for example, if you have a PA permit, which requires no training to get, WI will accept it as proof of training. Doesn't government make sense?
    Last edited by [email protected]; 09-01-2011 at 08:33 AM. Reason: Fixed formatting and added information.

  10. #69
    Well according to the DOJ,they are developing a list of acceptable out of state permits that WI will accept. Im in no way comfortable with a "no training" permit being accepted in Wisconsin. That in and of itself defeats the ard work on many peoples part to make certain that CCW people are adequately trained. And yes, I agree Government is the ultimate oxymoron. While the law contradicts what DOJ is saying essentially my only concern is whether or not they will accept my AZ and VA Non Res permit. I cannot see how in good safety sense that WI can accept a permit that is expired. If this holds true, I can drive all over Cheese Land without a DL and when stopped claim "well I HAD one"..I dont think they should accept people that HAD a permit.These persons should at minimum requalify and re certify for safety and training. While I DO hold a PA CCW,(thank you Denny Nau) I also hold others that require training as well as having gone thru the Military Weapons Course and Law Enforcement Shooting. I feel very strongly about the safety and training aspect of this new CCW permitting in WI and I believe they should revisit some of these permits that they intend on accepting.
    This is hair pulling to say the least. But here is the kicker. Im trying to get CCW passed in Illinois.This (WI) law is nothing compared to ILCS 720 5/24. You want to go insane? Read THAT!.
    I enjoy our legal debates. This is what this forum is all about. Amicable resolve to a pressing issue.
    " We came,We Saw,We kicked their asses and when the screaming stopped,the blood dried,the smoke cleared and the dust settled...PEACE WAS RESTORED"

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    Quote Originally Posted by cortchubby View Post
    Well according to the DOJ,they are developing a list of acceptable out of state permits that WI will accept. Im in no way comfortable with a "no training" permit being accepted in Wisconsin. That in and of itself defeats the ard work on many peoples part to make certain that CCW people are adequately trained. And yes, I agree Government is the ultimate oxymoron. While the law contradicts what DOJ is saying essentially my only concern is whether or not they will accept my AZ and VA Non Res permit. I cannot see how in good safety sense that WI can accept a permit that is expired. If this holds true, I can drive all over Cheese Land without a DL and when stopped claim "well I HAD one"..I dont think they should accept people that HAD a permit.These persons should at minimum requalify and re certify for safety and training. While I DO hold a PA CCW,(thank you Denny Nau) I also hold others that require training as well as having gone thru the Military Weapons Course and Law Enforcement Shooting. I feel very strongly about the safety and training aspect of this new CCW permitting in WI and I believe they should revisit some of these permits that they intend on accepting.
    This is hair pulling to say the least. But here is the kicker. Im trying to get CCW passed in Illinois.This (WI) law is nothing compared to ILCS 720 5/24. You want to go insane? Read THAT!.
    I enjoy our legal debates. This is what this forum is all about. Amicable resolve to a pressing issue.
    See, you are coming at it from the wrong side. The author of the bill, Senator Pam Galloway, wrote a Constitutional Carry bill. Permits and training were only added to placate some people. The training requirement is a farce and was an afterthought.

    You argument about a drivers license is a non-starter. I didn't say you can carry in WI with an expired license, I said the law said that you can use an expired license as proof of training to get your permit. I don't have proof of this, but I believe i can show an expired IL DL to the WI DOT and that would get me out of the road test portion of getting a WI DL.

    You are correct that the DOJ is DIRECTED to make lists, however, the content of the list is spelled out. So.... the list of states that WI will recognize for out-of state residents hasn't beem made, you are correct, however, if the out-of-state permit requires a background check or offers an optional background check, the DOJ HAS to put that state on the list. Training does not matter.

    Also, I have personally talked to the legislators and understand their intent. They understand that the DOJ could take a marginally acceptable bill and turn it into a complete cluster. So.... they gave them very little leeway. They have statements like 'the department shall' as opposed to 'the department may'. They also state that 175.60(2)(b) The department may not impose conditions, limitations, or requirements that are not expressly provided for in this section on the issuance, scope, effect, or content of a license.

    So, since you keep asking me for citations, please back up your assertions with citations as well.

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