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    I agree that this woman was not in the perfect mind set which could have cost her her life. However, I was in a situation many years ago where if I had been able to get to a gun I would have blown someone away. The next day after it was over, I could relate to two things: abused women who are driven to shoot their oppressor; and the horrible aftermath of what it would be like physically and psychologically. And I didn't shoot anyone. I was horrified that my mental state was such that I could have, would have taken a life. I thanked God that I didn't; and I have kept those thoughts and that feeling with me as a reminder of what it will be like if I ever do, keeping in mind that any real event and trauma will be multiplied x10. I am glad for this mother that she did not have to shoot this SOB. Her life and the lives of everyone she connects to would have been changed for ever, and not necessarily in a good way.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by SmokinLawyer View Post
    Sigh . . . at the risk of offending the OP and everybody else in sight, I have to ask: Have you ever shot anyone? If not, you may not be aware that it's not an easy thing to do for most folks. Yeah, it's easy for us to stand around armchair quarterbacking what she "should have done" but we should always remember that it's vastly easier to talk about shooting a human being than it is to actually do it. About all we can really say is, she was on the scene, it was her life at stake, she made the call and it worked out. I don't think I'd have handled it the same way, but hard to say until I actually am put to the test. Just food for thought.
    CHEERS! What a great post. Some on this board feel its better to execute someone than to deal with the level of threat at hand. She did just that. Sorry but executing someone to prevent some thought that he will do something to the "next person" is NOT the law. Good luck with that defense. I hope you have visitors where ou would go. Not saying it may not have been justified. It seems like it was and its seems like she tried. I wasnt there. But she thwarted the threat. I applaud her.

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    It is easy to talk about it, but like klassic says, another to follow though. Women who may be deadly defending their children are not so protective of themselves even.... I may be desensitized, but when I was 19 I was strangled & left for dead. I was lucky that my assailant didn't realize people lose consciousness long before they die. I was lucky he didn't sit there and gloat over my body or he'd have seen me wake up.... I had nightmares every night for years. I'd wake up heart pounding and the only way to calm down was to visualize extreme violence, putting myself back in control. So, though I've never shot a person, I'm pretty sure if faced with death again, I could. I've shot deer, I've stuck my arm up in the chest, pulled out the organs, sliced the windpipe, rolled them over & shook out the blood and lymph... yeah, I cry, but I get over it pretty quick. I bet it's easier when fear and anger are involved. I imagine that the average woman isn't of this frame of mind. We give life. We don't want to take life. In 26 years of daily carrying, I have never had to pull out my gun. I would not in defense of property, only for life.

    Sheesh, I feel like I just wrote in my diary... my best friends don't even know this stuff.

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    I was talking to a guy I know a while back about what would be the best way to immobilize a potential deadly attacker without killing them. He asked; "why would you want to shoot someone without killing them?" <-- (by the way, the man I was talking to has taken a life before. He owned a liquor store and shot a man who was pulling a shotgun out of his pants to rob him) My answer was pretty simple...taking a life isn't always the best thing to do. What if a person was high on some kind of drug but isn't a killer and they are coming at you with a large knife with you having nowhere to escape? Seems to me it would be best to stop them and let the authorities handle the rest. Maybe that is what went through her head at the time. I am happy for her that she won't have to live with the thought of killing him but am also kind of upset that he is still out there somewhere. It's never a perfect world, that's for sure.

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    Deadly force is just that. Our intent should be to defend ourselves and stop the attack. While the death of the attacker is a possible if not probable outcome it is not the intention. Few of us under the stress of a life or death situation will have the physical or mental acuity to intentionally wound without inflicting a mortal wound. I train and teach center of mass shots. The hope is that under stress I will still hit the target. Before we carry we should decide that if we are attacked, we will defend ourselves. If the attacker dies it is a direct result of their bad decisions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aili McKeen View Post
    It is easy to talk about it, but like klassic says, another to follow though. Women who may be deadly defending their children are not so protective of themselves even.... I may be desensitized, but when I was 19 I was strangled & left for dead. I was lucky that my assailant didn't realize people lose consciousness long before they die. I was lucky he didn't sit there and gloat over my body or he'd have seen me wake up.... I had nightmares every night for years. I'd wake up heart pounding and the only way to calm down was to visualize extreme violence, putting myself back in control. So, though I've never shot a person, I'm pretty sure if faced with death again, I could. I've shot deer, I've stuck my arm up in the chest, pulled out the organs, sliced the windpipe, rolled them over & shook out the blood and lymph... yeah, I cry, but I get over it pretty quick. I bet it's easier when fear and anger are involved. I imagine that the average woman isn't of this frame of mind. We give life. We don't want to take life. In 26 years of daily carrying, I have never had to pull out my gun. I would not in defense of property, only for life.

    Sheesh, I feel like I just wrote in my diary... my best friends don't even know this stuff.
    Wow, sorry to hear of your encounter with violence. Was the guy ever caught?
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    Quote Originally Posted by klassic View Post
    It takes a certain level of psyc to be ok with shooting someone. Watching the blood gush out, the person shaking, choking on their blood, trying to fight it can and will traumatize the avg person
    There's usually not as much blood as people think
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aili McKeen View Post
    It is easy to talk about it, but like klassic says, another to follow though. Women who may be deadly defending their children are not so protective of themselves even.... I may be desensitized, but when I was 19 I was strangled & left for dead. I was lucky that my assailant didn't realize people lose consciousness long before they die. I was lucky he didn't sit there and gloat over my body or he'd have seen me wake up.... I had nightmares every night for years. I'd wake up heart pounding and the only way to calm down was to visualize extreme violence, putting myself back in control. So, though I've never shot a person, I'm pretty sure if faced with death again, I could. I've shot deer, I've stuck my arm up in the chest, pulled out the organs, sliced the windpipe, rolled them over & shook out the blood and lymph... yeah, I cry, but I get over it pretty quick. I bet it's easier when fear and anger are involved. I imagine that the average woman isn't of this frame of mind. We give life. We don't want to take life. In 26 years of daily carrying, I have never had to pull out my gun. I would not in defense of property, only for life.

    Sheesh, I feel like I just wrote in my diary... my best friends don't even know this stuff.
    Thank you for sharing
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    I really wonder what all these who are ready to shoot would do if actually confronted with such a situation. To me shooting someone is a last resort but if the time comes to do it you need to be ready and able both physically and more importantly mentally. If such a time should happen I hope one does not wind up like George Zimmerman but you must be prepared that if you take the life of someone you may find yourself in such a situation. Be prepared to be second guessed on every decision you made by everyone and yourself. Taking the life of someone is a life changing event for you.

    I love the post by Aili McKeen and how your thoughts are different between protecting yourself and protecting your children or others. She suffered an experience that hopefully few of us ever will and we need to listen to her. Life is not a video game where you have a reset button to start over. I wonder a lot about how many have become so accustomed to that reset button that they tend to blur the fact that there is no reset button in real life. I know there are some and I am afraid that number is growing. Unlike when we played Cowboys and Indians, we don't have to tell anyone "I shot you and you are supposed to be dead, so lie there and don't get up".

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    Some people, no matter how well trained they are, will not be able to pull the trigger when the time comes. "I've never been put in the situation but I have my mind set, but will my mind set and my will align when the time comes? Dunno. I think it will." is a valid point for discussion.

    Each time a topic like this comes up there is a portion of us that sit back and "Monday morning quarterback" the scenario. If we have never experienced anything like this, how can we tell how we will react? Training only goes so far and the human mind can only prepare for that which it can comprehend. Can we comprehend this type of an attack? Can we comprehend that in the blink of an eye we will be forced into a situation where, for no fault of our own, we are forced to make a true life or death decision?

    I say "If it's me and mine or them, it's gonna be them" when the topic of lethal force comes up and like I said, mind set is a big portion of saving your own tail. But are we prepared to take another human life? It's a decision we may have to make at some point in our life and it is one that we have alread accepted the responsibility for when we made the decision to carry a lethal form of defense.

    Fortunately this situation worked out for this woman. Personally I agree that the best place for the dirt bag is someplace that includes toe tags.
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