Glad I live in Florida! Used to be Texas, where I first aquired my CCW, before that it was Maryland, good luck up there, I went through hell just trying to by a handgun.

I have to disagree on you that if you only vote for the partyline and not the best person for the job you shouldn’t be allowed to vote. I used to only vote for who I thought was the best candidate, but lately that doesn’t matter. Republicans will vote for Republican bills and Democrats will vote for Democratic bills. Until the party leaders stop putting so much pressure on the freshmen Representatives and even on the Senators we don’t have much of a choice. What we need to do is start telling all of them, if you don’t stop all of this partisan crap and just start fixing the problems then your all fired. In all honesty what is best for this country is to take some of the Democrats views and some of the Republicans views and combine them. Neither one of them by themselves has the right answer for what is best for America.

I disagree. Anyone who gets an abortion, does not respect the rights of the most innocent of all of us. Babys (yes…even unborn ones) have not Only constitutionally protected rights, but GOD given rights. If you reject the notion of God, then you reject the ideals that founded our nation [and the constitution]. This will jeprodize all of our rights if unchecked eventualy, even the right to keep and bear arms.

 That’s an absolute revisionist falsehood, and you have fallen for it and have failed to learn the history of this country.  Some founding fathers were “diests,” but not in the modern sense of that term, and they certainly did not set out to create a secular paradise as revisionists in the NEA now teach.  They were deeply religious men, and even the most secular of them, Ben Franklin, said things about the truth of God and Christianity that would shock the modern liberal or athiest.  The founding fathers were against a state-run religion like the Church of England, but said publicly many times that democracy depends on Christianity to survive. Get educated.

Abosolutely True an very well put. Amen!

 Here’s a snippet– the “athiest” or “secularist” Benjamin Franklin to the Constitutional Convention:
“In this situation of this Assembly, groping as it were in the dark to
find political truth, and scarce able to distinguish it when presented
ot us, how has it happened, Sir, that we have not hitherto once thought
of humbly applying to the Father of lights to illuminate our
understanding?

In the beginning of the Contest with G. Britain, when we were sensible
of danger, we had daily prayer in this room for Divine protection. – Our
prayers, Sir, were heard, & they were graciousy answered. All of
us who were engaged in the struggle must have observed frequent
instances of a superintending Providence in our favor.

To that kind Providence we owe this happy opportunity of consulting in
peace on the means of establishing our future national felicity. And
have we now forgotten that powerful Friend? or do we imagine we no
longer need His assistance?

I have lived, Sir, a long time, and the longer I live, the more
convincing proofs I see of this truth – That God Governs in the affairs
of men. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without His notice,
is it probable that an empire can rise without His aid?

We have been assured, Sir, in the Sacred Writings, that “except the Lord
build the House, they labor in vain that build it.” I firmly believe
this; and I also believe that without his concurring aid we shall
succeed in this political building no better than the Builders of Babel:
We shall be divided by our partial local interests; our projects will
be confounded, and we ourselves shall become a reproach and bye word
down to future ages.

And what is worse, mankind may hereafter from this unfortunate instance,
despair of establishing Governments by human wisdom and leave it to
chance, war and conquest.

I therefore beg leave to move – that henceforth prayers imploring the
assistance of Heaven, and its blessing on our deliberations, be held in
this Assembly every morning before we proceed to business, and that one
or more of the clergy of this city be requested to officiate in that
service.”

and if my aunt had balls, she would be my uncle.

Well done!

No, you have succumbed to the propaganda of the left. If you actually would read the writings of the Founding Fathers you’s see that they, to a man speak of God with reverence.

Read the  Declaration of Independence, there buddy. I believe God is mentioned  and signed by almost all our founding fathers,  which WAS the foundation of the US. By the way, the first 10 ammendments (the bill of rights) were included in the constitution and acknowledged as God-given by nearly all who voted for ratification.  I’d like to know of that whom signed either document rejected the idea of God. Just because you do, please don’t show your lack of inteligence by making an unfounded claim such as this. Your ability to make such a claim is the beauty of YOUR GOD-GIVEN RIGHT to free speech (which is backed by the constitution), even if it is erroneous. How would you like it if the government decided free speech was detrimental to national security and tried to regulate it? You’d have to have permission to post here, or risk breaking the law. Kind of what’s happening to the 2nd ammendment, huh? Beware what you support.

Wrong. The whole point of separation from England was that the crown was trying to usurp God granted rights. The founders were saying, God gave man the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. These rights are not granted by men to other men but come from the Creator. As such they can not be regulated, controlled or revoked by men. If you try to take away the founders belief in God (which there is a strong push to do these days) you destroy the very idea this great nation was founded on. Learn true history and don’t let yourself be lead astray by people trying to revise our history.

How did you guys get so far off point. This is about the ability of  Americans to legally conceal carry a fire arm. What we need is for a federal law that allows this for all states. and not on a state by state basis. Simply pass the back ground check, and you are good in all 50 states. End of all the BS.

What a bunch of crap. Sheep, yes the animal are a lot smarter than you.  They just don’t have the brain function or intelligence to form an opinion or the ability to use the web to disperse such idiotic drivvel. You have been told what to think for so long you actually think that you are thinking on your own. HA

Or carry the body away!

that doesn’t even make sense. One can be atheist or even agnostic and
still understand the same basic ideals of freedom and service that went
into writing the constitution. As for abortions; you try being 14 and
pregnant, or broke and pregnant. Is it better to deny the unborn
unthinking fetus higher cognitive function or allow it to be raised cold
hungry and insulted, possibly diseased? or even let it die crying in a
dumpster? Don’t hide your ignorance behind the idea of rights; this may
be Kevorkian of me but damnit if you cant give a child a good, even a
passing life, if the only life you can give is a miserable one, then
simply don’t give it one. sure, your response would be “then she
shouldn’t have gotten pregnant”… rape much?

next time try using a little common sense to construct an argument
instead of mindless bull you hear on the radio on the way to (by the
sounds of your argument) the welfare office to get your monthly check

There is a difference. Choosing to have or not have a gun is just a bit different than taking an innocent life!

Right on Jeff

The Consitution doesn’t mention Jesus, Jehovah, The Holy Ghost, the Pope, Mary, Peter, Paul, Mark, Luke, John, etc. Read the Treaty of Tripoli, the USA is not a “Christian” nation. You religious fanatics scare me as much as folks like you scared the Founding Fathers.Jesus, please deliver me frm your followers!

1 Quick answer.Theres good and bad in everything on this planet earth.” Bad cars….good cars.” Example: I Own a CCL from Texas, I like the feeling of being safe for my family, when we go out to eat at night or day.The Police are over worked and under paid. They can”nt be everywere at once.
If it was a perfect world, I would”nt carry a Glock 30 hand gun, but i still would like to keep it because I like to Target shoot.
But thats just me.

Exactly. Its quite funny to b/c the liberal’s response to people who are against gay marriage and abortion is “If you don’t like it don’t get one”. Yet when it comes to the 2nd Amendment, they want to ban all guns instead of taking their own advice and “just don’t get one if you don’t like it”. And they call US intolerant…

if you believe all that krap, then you are an absolute moron. I am a Democrat and proud of it, but I dont hold to any of that nonsense you spewed.

Ya know, this is a such a combersome topic…atleast for me. A gay…aka homosexual…. person is a PERSON …period. Same as a, how do you politicaly say it… black person, white person, or native american .We are all americans, we all bleed red, the same god…reguardless of the name you call him/her by has given us the same breath. As far as the gay marrage issue, thats a no brainer. Marrage is a religeous institution that the state has no business being involved in. Seperation of church and state. Look at the contitution and bill of rights….also consider the letters Jefferson wrote to congress. My son is gay..I accept him for whom he is. He’s my son. The bottom line is….MIND YOU OWN BUSINESS, RESPECT EACH OTHERS RIGHTS AND THE FREEWILL WHICH THE CREATOR GRANTED US ALL !!!!

So… the only people you think should have rights are who? You? And people like you? Move to Saudi Arabia then. That’s their gig.

The only thing you get out of Franklins quotes are he didn’t believe in God?
You should read the book “Signers of the Declaration of Independence” which will tell you that viryually all 55 signers of the 1787 Constitution were members of Christian denominations: ( here is the proof) 29 were Anglican, 18 were Calvinists, 2 were Methodists,2 were Lutherans, 2 were Roman Catholic, 1 was a lapsed Quaker and sometimes Anglican and 1 was a Deist who was Benjamin Franklin and who said all the things that ‘truthseeker’ said in his thread.

What a maroon!

So you are saying that everything in the constitution, including your exercision of the 1st ammendment here, is worth getting behind EXCEPT the 2nd ammendment? I tend to think it should be all or nothing. How can we obey the rule of law if people like you can take a guaranteed and unrepealable (thank God the founding fathers thought of idiots like you) provision and pass legislation to weaken it? What you fail to realize is, if it can be done to the 2nd ammendment,why not infringe on other rights and censure free speech, or reinstate the quartering act, or just allow the police to break down your door and drag you to jail because your neighbor said you exercised free speech against the government? Sound ridiculous? Remember the Holocaust?

Talk about Foxworthy material- look in the mirror! I’d rather be the butt of a Foxworthy joke than aligned with Hitler.

Semper Fi Dbluefish, 1-7 here from 2004-2010. Ignorant people such as Dellavar may have the right to express their views such as we do, wich we fought to keep and protect, and if they wish to fight to revoke our Rights as a US citizen then Dellavar i will GLADLY raise funds to send your un-american ass out of this country… Iraq perhaps? I have some brothers from the 1-7 who will be happy to greet you there im sure…

Where did Dellavar say anything about the troops, or oppose 2A rights in any way?  You guys are morons.  He was saying that Wildmangood’s comment was obnoxious and nonsensical (conflating socialism and gun control? What?).   Actually, pretty much anyone who throws around the word “Socialism” nowadays should just be ignored.

Over used doesn’t mean it is not applicable!

Enough jarheads. I for one could care less about your service.  Most of you only join because you can’t get a real job.  If you have any brains you would have finished high school at least and learned what the first and second amendment mean.  And BTW, thanks for fight for my right to call you a jarhead.

To continue this, I will say nicely, debate– there are many over generalizations– logical fallacies, and personally heated opinions that this can easily run wild…

 There are people who are not competent enough, and should never own a firearm. Of those that could/should, there are those who should not be allowed to carry a firearm– openly or concealed.

 There are persons who entered military service as a ‘last resort’. Some, being raised and indoctrinated into a religion or mindset– do so out of idealism and/or belief. None of which precludes them being idiots, stupid, nor thrill seeking freaks as possibly implied above by others.

 Thank you to those who served. There are conflicts that I have not agreed with that they have participated in… Our opinions are our own, and sacred. The intent is everything.

 I am a well trained near pacifist who owns a gun, and has a permit to carry concealed. Whether I carry or not isn’t the point, I can if I feel it necessary, and have the right to do so. I am highly educated, have healthy respect for the powerful responsibility that comes with such a right…

 Someone above stating that criminals have all the firepower vs law abiding citizen is correct.. ASK the Brit who owns the weapons in England… Not the Police officers, not the competent citizen— No! The criminal. He/She will have much to say about that.

 To sum up: There are persons not fit mentally/psychologically prepared, fit, or mature with regards to the responsible use/ownership of a weapon– firearm or otherwise. There are laws and checks-and-balances to help that disparity.

 Removing the rights of everyone means giving Carte-Blanche to the criminal faction, and empowering them many fold…

 Keep in mind, just because someone passed their act 240 with psych exam to be a police officer, does not make them sane, or able… Too many have abused their power.
 
 Call me names (1st Amendment), own a gun (2nd), fight illegal search of person, home papers ( 4th), and do not incriminate yourself (5th)… Freedom is not a pick and choose thing! You cannot decide today, this is acceptable, then tomorrow you want it back or gone… Give it some thought!

However, they did it while ‘just following orders’.

That doesn’t exactly scream ‘fighting for our freedom’.

Generalizing is always what it is, a generalization.  You can’t have lived someone elses life, so you can only theorize.

You may as a Marine calll one another “jarheads” but you as a jughead don’t meet that criteria. Donald R Hohman CWO(RET)USA POW. Semper Fi for my brother Marine’s.

idiot hater:

I see you have no idea what it is to feel respect for your country and the desire to serve and protect it.  It is ironic that you don’t understand that the only reason you have the right to say what you want is that you live in a FREE country because of those who are willing to serve and sacrifice so people like you can live in ignorant bliss.

I personally carry concealed as do many and believe in our rights to do so.  I also know the history behind the 2nd amendment and know we do not have a well-regulated militia, or militia at all, but do have a VOLUNTEER military force, so theoretically you fall into neither and perhaps should not carry yourself.  Just a thought.

I graduated both high school and college with multiple degrees and am an Army Officer flying the AH-64D Apache helicopter.  Tell me I couldn’t get a job anywhere else and I will continue to laugh in your ignorant face as I do now.  I feel sorry for you in the way you disrespect these servicemen whether you agree with their opinions or not. Have a nice life enjoying your freedom.

You were close, Title 10 USC, section 311 All able bodied Americans from 17 to 45 years of age are members of the militia. all former members of the us armed forces are members of the militia until they reach 64 years of age. It’s the Law.

Idiothater,

Go ask Michelle for a tissue.  Cry me a river Barack.  You are the waste of time.  So long in 2012.

Tincan Sailor
Trusty Shellback
Vietnam 1965-66
Sempre Fi to all USMC

Johninmatteson:
Not really a reply, but rather a hearty “Welcome Home”, and Bravo Zulu from a Zoomie.
WOP2
Vietnam, 1973, Linebacker II

Spoken like the true coward that you are. Please speak your opinion when the shit hits the fan so that I don,t mistakenly defend you.

Thanks for insulting some of the finest men and women on this planet. I know a lot of Marines and most of them have more degrees and schooling than any civilian can boast. If you don’t know what you’re talking about you shouldn’t be speaking at all. Semper Fi guys thanks for what you do.

Semper Fi from Fox co

my money says Dellavar voted for the goof in the white house and probably thinks he is doing a good job. Bah bah little sheeple.
2012 and the trash WILL be taken out.

There is NO DOT regulation addressing the carrying of guns in a commercial vehicle.  You just have to obey the state laws. Many truck drivers are always thinking they can’t legally carry in a commericial vehicle.  This is total BS.  Now, a very small number of companies prohibit their drivers from carrying per company policy, but if you get caught the most they can do is fire you.   Personally I would never drive for a company like that.   I have carried in a commercial vehicle for 20 years, been observed carrying by a DOT cop, and there has never been a problem.  

DOT disallows a firearm to be carried inside a commercial vehicle of any kind.

the dot disallows so many things anymore that they probably have a law disallowing themselves from disallowing anything,  Sorry but screw the DOT, no matter if they say I can or can’t carry a loaded firearm or not or even if i can’t carry an unloaded one I wouldn’t care.

What do you think they are going to do if I were to get threatened? It’s still self defense buddy.  If I or anyone else lives and works in our vehicles they are considered our places of residence, so to all the criminals out there go ahead and try to break into my house, see how fast you fall to the ground bleeding from a gunshot wound!

Try again Mr Legislator, incompetent buffoon!

I agree with the boycott approach.  Just as I refuse to shop in any store where my gun is not permitted, I refuse to travel in States where my gun is not permitted.  Loss of revenue is what gets the attention of business owners and politicians alike.  Refusing them revenue from my pocket is the only way to win freedom for all Americans.

I’m not a typist, that is meant to be responsibly.
Duh.

In accordance with DOT 173.54 Forbidden Explosives, subparagraph (f) states:(f) A loaded firearm (except as providedin 49 CFR 1544.21949 CFR Pertains to Aviation Personnel and those allowed to Carry on Commerdial Aircraft

Even in IL the case doesnt have to be locked. Unloaded and in a case, zippered is fine and a loaded clip can be in the case, just not in the gun. Also the center console is now considered a legal case.

I can see where your going with that BUT the point of having a permit and carrying LEGALLY as a US CITIZEN is to defend yourself against those who would seek harm against you or your family, friends, strangers in a 7-eleven at 1am on a tues……whatever the case may be. Criminals don’t give a damn about the law, thats why they are criminals and if a cop (you, your son, daughter, cousin, 4th uncle twice removed….whoever) makes a stop and its some jerk-off that just knocked over a liqour store and has a 9mm hidden under the seat, they have the same chance they could get hurt as any other stop cause you just never know. BUT if I were a police officer and made a stop and found out the guy was carrying legally with a permit I would be just fine if not more comfortable with that. People need to understand that revoking gun rights anywhere either by state or federal law is a horrible idea cause it only makes it easier for CRIMINALS with no sense of law and order to do what they will and forces good clean law abiding citizens to have to make a choice of wether or not to follow the law and hope nothing ever happens or to they themselves carry a weapon illegally and possibly end up getting in a heap of trouble. I would NEVER go to illinois for one simple reason, thanks to state legislature, the a–hole with a ski-mask waiting for me at the atm with a gun, knows i don’t have one. I wouldn’t go looking for a situation like that but as I said before….you never know.

F@3K Chicago I will never go to that state again. They are Constitutional Violating Criminals that run that state! Chicago is LAME!

If a gun is not readally accessable is it still illeagle to carry it in your vehicle in Illinose? My leagle inquieres indicate that a simple padlock, with out the key can be secured behind the triger of a revolver making it leagle to transport. Thats after the red lights go on.

That or just drive around that state if you prefer. I for one agree that everyone has a choice to not enter and/or support a state that does not support the right for a person to defend themselves. I live in idaho, I have a idaho resident permit and will be getting a WA and possibly OR and UT permits which will pretty much open up my options for most of the places that I would ever travel. I don’t want to hurt anyone and hope I never get into a situation where I would have to use my weapon. But I do carry and like knowing that IF there ever was a time I would need it, i will have it and I personally wouldn’t travel through a state either that won’t let me carry my weapon on me ready to use if necessary. Then theres no reason to worry about lock boxes and other junk. And any state that would deny privledges (illinois) in my opinion are completely violating the constitution and have no business calling themselves a part of this country. (Not the people that live there just the local government)

if they want to lock me up then no problem, but make sure to bring a body bag for the IDIOT who tried to assult/rob me because he decided to do things illigaly and on top of that he don’t give a ……….. about the law in the first place. i do have a ccw and I DO HAVE THE RIGHT TO PROTECT MY SELF AND MY FAMILY AT ANY COST,  you make the choice to do something stupid like that to me and guess what? prepare yourself and look at the camera and just wait for the flash because i REALLY hate stupidity so, go ahead and lock me up then, but i first make sure that the one who decided NOT to follow the law gets out of the street PERMANENTLY!!! i completly agree with Garyneil, the person who’s going to rob you is not going to give and/or show you any mercy, my family will always be FIRST and like him I WILL NEVER lock my weapon up for nobody, the state allow me to carry and conceal so if i get pulled over no matter what i am obeying the law.

Too funny

i read magazines and load clips-i’ve spent 30 years in law enforcement, including guarding the president, and am police certified in two states.  several years ago, i pulled into a rest area, east of tallahassie, florida, late at night.  about 2 hours after i left, the news on the radio said that 2 german tourists at that rest area were shot and killed.  i called the officer in charge and he told me that the reason they didn’t target me was that i didn’t fit their profile.  i also had my s&w 327 and that was before concealed carry.  i’m a concealed carry instructor for oklahoma and am planning a trip to california, soon.  will i have my weapon, you bet.  last summer, a friend of mine was shot in the head at a ca. rest area by a guy looking for cigarettes.  fortunately, he survived.  you never know when you are gonna need it.  rather be in jail on a gun charge than in the morgue.

 I was told this by the police chief in Marion, Ilinois.  Personally I moved out of state and now I have my second ammendment rights.  I refuse to even visit Illinois, the only place in the country where only the bad guys are armed.

Caledurago, I guess I should have stated that… I’m 67, and that situation was in the early 1960′s, before JFK and Bobby Kennedy were killed. Er, Uh, before the Gun Control Act of 1968. It was no big deal for anybody working nights to carry a weapon.  That’s not to take away from what you said, and I do understand.  I do wish merchants would take the attitude you are talking about and take down their warning signs, “No guns allowed on this facility”. I’m sorta like the guy on the other post, I don’t patronize those places unless I have to. It’s hard to get around going to the bank, or in my case into the schools, which are “gun-free zones”. Yeah, like they are able to enforce the “drug-free zone”.

I am 67 and have had a ccw for thirty years and taken a renewel class numerous times, I have never encounter even one person as strange as the any of the six you described in your class. My experience has been to see people that understand that the police can not be there when a criminal kicks in your door, no sane person wants to hurt another person but We also refuse to be hurt, a fundamentle right.

Just another reason to thank your liberal friends for losing their minds…

This is not true. Read the law and this is absolutely ok to do so anywhere in NY except the 5 borrows of NYC.  

It’s amazing how much bad and false information is out there…

I am a constitutionalist first,and a conservative second. A proud American to the core. But i have to say the abortion issue in USA these days must take a back seat to our current rights infringement by feds(and some states like CA). Abortion is an unfortunate reality,but there is already not enough responsible parents to raise the kids that are with us today. Much less add millions of unwanted ones. Its a terrible rock and a hard place situatiuon. But for now,,keep your eye on those garbage judges and crooked congressmen and senators. MUch less the comedian&chief. And “Be Prepared” who knows when “they” will come for your guns.

we are not ruled by nine justices. Aall they can do is interpret the constitution and deem laws and acts unconstitutional.They cannot make a law. They also have absolutely no enforcement power and that is why they rarely decide to see a case. Please educate yourself before you make an ignorant comment.

Another point, for the first 150 years the constitution was “interpreted:’to not alow abortion, then the supreme court “interpreted” TO  alow abortion and you think I am the ignorant one. Look in the mirrow for the definition of ignorent. That is legislation from the bench…

The Constitution should NOT be interpreted, but read as it was written, by Founding Fathers who knew what they were doing, had lived the alternative and decided that freedomn was worth the cost required to achieve it.

There is only one way to change the Constitution and that is layed out in specifics.

Remember, the Second Amendment was written, assuring a God given right and not giving that right itself. It was written to protect the people from an over zealous government.

when you say bye bye gun rights what rights exactly would we lose? No one can have a gun, or no open/concealed carry? 

You have my support. The big boys do what the want. There is big mony on cars ,insurance gas repair ect.  .  The good guy should be able to have a full carry.   I have a ccw for NY state Westchester county with the good old restriction hunting pistol range and bussiness. I miss Putnam county by 3 telephones if i lived there it would be a auto full. But they can come to westchester Its all balled up. rest my case.  Jerry P

I have nothing but respect and admiration for our men in blue, That said we all know and they agree all thay can do is hunt down the bad guy after the crime.. Thats why I have a ccw. Kick in my door and go home in a bag.

you are definitely right,  license to drive is honored by all states therefor a license to carry your weapon should be honored by all the states. that’s it.

Training yes, absolutely, as much trigger time as possible, shoot, don’t shoot scenarios, knowing about the critical “T”, recognizing what a hand cannon will and won’t do, clearing jams/stovepipes/failure to feed, knowing YOUR gun inside out–I ABSOLUTELY AGREE! Government mandated training–NEVER! Because what the benevolent government gives can be taken away in a penstroke.

Cale, do you know how to check your cars oil level or tire pressure? How about changing a flat tire or an oil and filter change? Transmission fluid change? Your assumption that I should know how to field strip my weapon is as absurd as giving a person a pencil and telling them before they can write a letter they must pass a compentancy test on proper use and practice of annotated footnotes for a thesis paper on old world grammar.

10/4

NY doesn’t recognize its own citizen’s rights, THAT is why they don’t recognize anyone else’s.

Your so right. Domos. and don’t forget orginized crime

What racist BS! What a NY hater! should people like the Penn State ass bandit have a permit? I’m not going to be a hater by saying what about white people, I am going to tell you there are ass wipes in every race just as well as good!
I’m a person of color and I don’t rape, rob, murder or sell drugs etc. If needed I would no doubt give you the shirt off my back if you needed it no matter what your skin color! I have also volunteered my time to the state of N Y in the New York Guard and am proud to have served my state. We need to support all good citizens as we seek to make better communities for all no matter what your race happens to be.

Oh, and by the way no I’m not a democrat!

This is a bunch of crap from just another coward who slithers behind the safety of a computer

whats your beef chump?20 years ago i moved to a free state that i dont need a judge to say if i can carry or not and i carry not because i want to br a big shot,i carry because here im a free man! my gripe is if i were to go to the place of my birth i would be considered a criminal,you see some states do not respect the constition and this is  what its about and if you knew who i really was you would be ashamed of yourself

You said it! God Bless the Commonwealth States!

I fled “Communist” NJ for that and many other reasons! A terrible State in which to live for many, many reasons!

Bucks County Pa, you just walk into the Sheriffs office, and as long as you dont have a felony  or other conviction, , they cant deny a permit. Think about it, only the trouble makers should be denied. Most everyone else is sensible. I carry everywhere, and I keep it CONCEALED, not even my mother knows. 

Befor you go to the expence of moving see the news yesterday in md.

No hold on!  Their is very little gun crime in Oregon (except Portland which is a sh*t hole), and Oregon permits anyone from any state to open carry except prohibited by federal law and government buildings. Until we get our legislators to honor CHL from other states feel free to open carry.

 I live in the Southern Tier of New York Mike. I take offense to your statement that “you people in New York have been brainwashed” Must be most people out your way assume that every New Yorker is from The City. Just so you understand….I know what causes crime and it’s not the .45 I carry on a daily basis…which my CCW…(from..of all places, New York) allows me to do!

 I never said they were issued fairly. I took exception to the comment that ALL New Yorkers have been brainwashed. Fortunately for me, I live in a conservative County that will issue carry permits to those who qualify without hassle.

 I would if I could, trust me. I stay here to be near my Daughter. The good part for me is I live in a very conservative County where our officials believe strongly in the 2nd amendment and a CCW is easy to get. My Brother moved to Idaho years ago, i would LOVE to live there.

I am from NY and see how that state treats even those asking about weapons. The sherrif nearly jumped out of his chair “  DO YOU HAVE IT HERE?” when I inquired about a permit because I purchased a gun in West Virginia (and kept it down there).   I spent 23 years in the Coast Guard (and Retired E9) and have been around.  The city (NY) is what spoils NY (aside from all the government mismanagment that has nothing to do with this post).  It seems (to me and the way I was brought up )  that hand guns are tabboo.  Staying out of that place poses no problem to me… Just like I will never live in California.   I suppose I would move back if i was running for some political job to make a change, but no thanks…  Besides, It’s way cheaper to live elsewhere (Indianapolis) where owning and purchasing a pistol or acquiring a carry permit is not such a suprise or hassle..

I moved from NY to Las Vegas. So in essence I voted with my feet.

 I would assume then that your not as liberal as you think you are. I have NEVER met a liberal that believed in the constitution. They are good at talking the talk, but can never walk the walk.

Dear Angry Matty:  Methinks thou dost protest too much. 

 What does your ignorant statement have to do with your original post? Did I say anything about the Constitution? You wanna debate Constitutional Law? Bring it on Sparky, I’ll come out of my Trailer and school your internet tough guy ass on what the Constitution really stands for. It’s a fact that Liberals like you preach about 2nd amendment rights but behind closed doors, do all they can to spit all over the Constitution. Go save the ozone layer….you can’t hang with me.

 WTF are you and why are you even here???  You’re just another dumb @$$ed liberal that thinks they are superior to the “fly-over” people because you live in a “cultural paradise”.  You “effers” wouldn’t know the constitution if it bit you in the @$$.  Do you even own a gun, much less carry one?  Living in a mobile home is an economic condition…not an IQ impediment.  Did your mother have any children that had an IQ over 100?

Thanks for serving! When I grew up a conservative looked out for his neighbor and understood that greed and exploitation are bad. Todays right wing has moved past conservative to regressive. Personally, I have no interest in going back to the segregated south or the expectation that women should be quiet, barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen. I get the sense that the “no govt” plank of the party isn’t concerned about the consequences of rolling back the last century of laws that enabled a broadly successful free market by granting access to more of us. As corporations aggregate and consolidate power, the small business (and small town) is dying. Corporate greed is a bigger culprit than progressive vs. conservative, but they have us distracted by bickering with each other over birth control while they steal our country.

I really have doubts as to whether you’re any of the things you’re claiming in your obtuse statement.  You’re no Vietnam Vet, nor were you disabled from military action.  You’re likely “social security disabled” from some dumba$$ things you did all your life, like drug use and stunt driving.  One TRUE statement you made, is that you ARE a liberal.  But, you tell this same $hit on other web sites, figuring making a claim to being a combat veteran gains you street cred.  If you eve had served in the military, you were likely an e’ffin cook or driver.  You’re a liberal through and through, so go back to your cheeto eatin, beer drinkin’ and jackin’ off to porn.

Jack Wheeler
Vietnam 67-68
1/9 Marines

Palerider13                      I love it, best dang comment on here. Thank you for your service!!!!!!!

You hit the nail on the head.  Today’s “liberal” is really a progressive Marxist.  The Democrats of 40-50 years ago no longer exist.  If you think you’re still a member of the same party which was in power in the 1960s (you know, the one which started and escalated the Vietnam War) you’re living a lie; THEIRS.

Not true Matt.  I’ve been able-collar Democrat all my life and I have a carry permit in Oregon and working on one in Arizona.  This last month I amassed every quote from the Founding Fathers concerning the 1st, 2nd, 4th and 14th Amendments.  I won’t vote for Obama, nor Romney, but I did attend a Paul rally.  It used to be that my brand of politics, wasn’t much different from those across the aisle, but now that both parties have been hijacked by extremists, what can I say?  If you can’t accept this reply…..

As a conservative who is pro-2A, married to a woman from UPSTATE New York and HAS taken an actual constitutional law course in law school, I can say without equivocation that the majority of New Yorkers have a distorted view of the Constitution in general.  Specifically, they do have a skewed view of 2A.  The right to keep AND BEAR arms shall not be infringed.  “Bear” means to carry with/on a person.  Case closed.  Next! 

and being very liberal, i am sure you voted for those gun grabber liberal politicians such as obama/clinton.  Hypocrite.

The simple truth is that we are in a State that has been daubed the Most Politically Corrupt State in the Nation. We used to have the initials ILL. and that is how most of us feel about our Socialist State Government Officials from the Chicago area. Our State is controled by the Chicago Machine and it sucks! 

Joe,
I am what I suppose most would call a definite conservative. I am registered as a Republican but vote as an Independent. I know several people whom I would consider to be “liberals” and every one of them is anti-gun. I commend you on your pro-gun stance and hope you will convince others to our side.

The Democratic party of today is not my Father’s Democratic party. The Republican party of today isn’t what it used to be either, they seem to have switched…

Any one who carries a weapon legally and believes in the freedom provided by the Bill of Rights is a friend, no need for further labels.

Well Said, I have yet to come across a democrat that wants to take away guns. Its just a tool republicans use to get votes.

I am “from” NY; upstate born and bred - I left because of the state government (taxes, excessive laws, etc).  In my opinion, Mike is right.  My family and friends and most of the residents are brainwashed by lib/prog politics and agendas.  NY: You can have it!  I’ll visit when I absolutely have to, but I won’t stay long.  I know; you don’t want me there anyway – ask me if I care.

I too live in NY – the STATE, not the CITY.  My county possibly has more diary cows than people.  I am college educated but hunt and shoot.  Most people think that only hlllbillys and rednecks have firearms.  I have a CCW for NY, PA, UT, and others.  Most of my college educated friends also have CCW (here we actually call them Pistol Permits).  I own a 50 BMG and enjoy shooting from .22 Short up to the 50.  I can shoot during my lunch hour if I choose to do so.  That does not make me brainwashed, that makes me able to make a decision to do what I wish to do, when I wish to do it.  I’ve never had to use anything I’ve carried to stop a bad guy, and hope I never need to do so.  The violent crime in the area I live in is very low, and my county issues many permits.  Is there a relationship?  I don’t know about here, but statistics for other states say there is.

As regretfully BLUE Oregon is we do fight off all the anti-gunners’ don’t we!

I just checked. Oregon will not honor my North Carolina Concealed Carry Permit. Talk to your elected officials for us Mike and help change that law!

Anyone starting a sentance with “you people” shouldnt be allowed to carry a gun in any state, just my opionion and hate it all you want. And for people saying its your second ammendmant right to be able to carry a gun where in the 2nd does it say everyone can carry in public doesnt it just simply state that we can own them? Im all for ccw’s and have my mn permit but theres alot of ignorance on constitutional rights here i think.

folks who have cc in nys arent the brainwashed ones… ever heard of politicians…with ulterior motives??? actually none of us should have to get a permit but some jack… altered the constitution back in the 30ies so i heard…

Zombiehiker,

Just like your name, your idealogy is that of a moron or worse, a gutless liberal. Like the rest of you knuckleheaded meat heads, you don’t get that your government/police department, NOT ONLY can’t BUT will not protect you!!! You’ve eith been without oxigyn too long or were born bream dead.

Al

Zombie you mean: Oxygen?