New York Concealed Carry Permit Information

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Concealed Permit:
May Issue to Residents and Non-Residents

The determination whether to grant the license is completely within the discretion of the licensing officer. However, the licensing officer must state specifically and concisely in writing the reasons for a denial. A denial can only be overturned in court if the denial is shown to be arbitrary and capricious.

Issuing Authority:
Licensing Officer of the City or County where the applicant resides, is principally employed, or where his principal place of business as a merchant or storekeeper is located.

NICS check: Yes

Cost: A license fee is fixed by the board of supervisors in each county, with a $10.00 limit prescribed by state law. The Division of Criminal Justice Services sets the fingerprinting fee. The fee for each amendment to the license is $3.00 ($5.00 in Suffolk County). In New York City and Nassau County, the City Council and Board of Supervisors, respectively, set the license fees without regard to the state law limitation.

Requirements:

Westchester County may require the applicant to successfully complete a firearms safety course and test in addition to meeting the other requirements. Other counties also require a safety course for license issuance.

A license may be granted to an applicant who is of good moral character, who is over 21 years of age, who has not been convicted of a serious offense, who states if and when he has ever been treated for mental illness, who is not subject to a protective court order and to whom no good cause exists for the denial of the license. The age requirement shall not apply to persons honorably discharged from the military. (Persons between age 18 and 21 may possess a handgun at an indoor or outdoor pistol range located in or on premises owned or occupied by a duly incorporated organization organized for conservation purposes or to foster proficiency in small arms. A person between the ages of 18 and 21 may also possess a handgun at a target pistol shooting competition under the auspices of or approved by the NRA and while under immediate supervision).

Applications for licenses must be acted upon within 6 months after presentment. If there is a delay, there must be written notice to the applicant stating the reasons.

If issued, a license is valid until revoked, except in New York City where a license shall expire not more than 3 years after the date of issuance, and in Nassau, Suffolk and Westchester Counties where a license shall expire not more than 5 years after the date of issuance.

An applicant for a license to carry outside the home must be required to show, in addition to the requirement for possession, that proper cause exists for the issuance of a carry license, including, for example, target shooting, hunting, or self-defense.

Informing Law Enforcement of Carry:

Automobile carry:
A loaded handgun may be carried in a vehicle by a properly licensed individual. (Loaded means a firearm with ammunition loaded in magazine or chamber or any firearm which is possessed by one who at the same time possesses a quantity of ammunition which may be used to discharge such a firearm.) Possession of any loaded rifle or shotgun in a vehicle is illegal.

It is unlawful for any person to carry, possess or transport a handgun in or through the state unless he has a valid New York license. More details on this click here.

Places off-limits when carrying:
It is a crime to possess any rifle, shotgun or handgun in or upon a building or grounds, used for educational purposes, of any school, college or university. It is lawful, however, to possess a rifle, shotgun or handgun in or upon the forestry lands, wherever located, owned and maintained by the State University of New York College of environmental science and forestry, without the written authorization of such educational institution.

Deadly Force / Castle Doctrine:
New York is a Castle Doctrine state but has no stand-your-ground law.


Open Carry:
Prohibited in all public areas.

Localities with Varying Laws:
Contact your local county.

 

Forms:

  • Danimperial101

    NY will issue to residents and non residents, it is up to the county judge what he will issue and to who he will issue

    • dp

      Is there any resource on what counties will entertain that idea? Many require residency.

      • Apo

        Hi im apo As a new Yorker I have my pistol permits for 2 yrs now I’m looking to get a full carry license in NY for better job somebody let me know what I should do

        • SMH

          APPLY FOR ONE! 

        • Serenityinfire

          What county? I used to live in Nassau County and they are just like NYC. Only friends, family, rich, and famous stand a chance at an unrestricted carry.

          • http://twitter.com/RandomWickednes RandomWickedness

            I’m looking into one right now as the gang banger across the street brandished a gun at me, pointed it at my face and threatened to kill me the other day, but it’s an insane maze of bueracratic nonsense.

            There are THREE categories for police / retired police, but not one for concealed / self-defense. What the hell is this nonsense?

    • Capgun

       Since whae does NY issue to non-residents??????

      • Jersdoowop

        They Dont   Jerry P

    • Gaius

      NYS only issues to residents, not nonresidents

    • Tomd1rx

      ny does NOTissue to non residents ever

  • Joe5speed_1999

    The red / blue key legend above conflicts with the heading red/blue data – please fix.

    • Anonymous

      Not sure what you mean.

    • read before you post

      They are LINKS the legend is on the right

  • Hector

    Is unrestricted the same as full carry”

    • Redlegagent

      Yes, all pistol permits are considered as full (concealed) carry unless a restriction is applied.  The most common restriction is “Hunting and Target only” which means you can only carry at the range or while legally hunting – no where else. A “premises” permit means you can only possess in your home but these permits are usually only seen in NYC etc.

      • Yakker0117

        In NY if you have a “Hunting and Target only” permit you MAY carry TO and FROM the range.  You are not restricted to carry ONLY at the range.

        • Jersdoowop

          Excellent .  You can carry to and from the range. What if you want to stop  for a meal ,is that ok . I have a full carry for PA can i carry from NY york state to PA  on my person. Thanks for any input.. My NYS ccw has restrictions for hunting target and bussiness.

          • Cldgug

            Dont do it…..your gun needs to be locked and placed seperated from your ammo and ammo needs to be locked in NY your PA permit is no good in NY

          • Anonymous

            +1… Good call. Has this changed behind the new reciprocity rules? I have some friends that are cops in NYC that I’ve asked to get their perspective and I haven’t gotten a straight answer

          • Danimperial101

            LEOSA IS DIFFERENT ANY COP FROM ANY STATE CAN CARRY IN ANY OTHER STATE ON HIS BADGE AND RETIRED COPS CAN GET A LEOSA CARD AND STILL CARRY IN ANY STATE. IF YOU DONT QUALIFY FOR LEOSA YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW ALL OTHER LAWS

          • Tshtf09

            It’s my understanding that, although police can carry in any state, they do have to comply with that state’s carry laws.

          • kyle

            police cannot carry in any state…unless their an officer of the law in that state, orrrr unless they have their national carry permit…but gl getting that, its a pain

          • Frosty911

            there is no such thing as a national carry permit. And Police officers can carry in ANY state…. its part of the patriot act

          • rich

            there is no such thing as a national permit, and pursuant to Federal Law HR 218 aka Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act a Certified Academy trained LEO can carry in ANY state .

          • rich

            That is correct

          • Tomd1rx

            NY DOESN’T RECOGNIZE YOUR PA PERMIT, YOU WOULD BE CHARGED WITH A FELONY AND NYS HAS A MANDATOTY JAIL TIME, NO PLEA BARGAIN

          • Pops13071

            if you have a non resident ny permit for hunting/target you would only get your license suspended or revoked because that is an administrative restriction not a law. However i wouldn’t risk it.

          • Danimperial101

            EXACTLY CAN NOT GET CHARGED FOR FELONY POSSESSION IF YOU HAVE A LICENSE TO CARRY BUT VIOLATION OF A RESTRICTION COULD GET A REVOKED AND CONFICATION OF ALL HANDGUNS ON LICENSE. IS THAT REALY WHAT YOU WANT TO HAPPEN

          • MSGT JOHN CORREA

            Only criminals are allowed to carry concealed handguns anywhere in the USA. Silly isn’t it? Why do cops carry guns openly and concealed? Is their lives anymore valuable than ours? Police officers are permitted to carry loaded weapons for self protection; what about us? We’re exposed to society’s dangers as equally as the police; only the gunless victims get killed more so than the police. Look at what recently happened at a local theatre. Look at what happened in Australia when the citizens’ guns were taken away from them? Any questions?
            MSGT JOHN CORREA
            USAF (RET)

          • Andrew Reiter

            Because civilians don’t send people to jail. People, who when they get out of jail, might have a problem or two with the person who put them there in the first place. You as a military man should know better…once a target, always a target. You can take your uniform off, but you can’t change your face. Ask a cop how it feels to be out with his family having dinner and see he’s being stared down by a guy he sent away for 6 months from across the room. You are MOST CERTAINLY NOT just as exposed.

          • TheVoiceOfReason

            Police can’t just carry a gun. They need to qualify via proficiency tests, sometimes semi-annually. And if they don’t qualify on a test, they lose their ability to carry a firearm on duty. They are generally subject to much more restrictions than civilians. At least they are required to know how to carry, maintain, and shoot their weapon in a variety of scenarios, which is more than you can say for most citizens. I’m not saying it doesn’t violate the 2nd Amendment, just that cops are generally far more qualified to carry a firearm.

          • TheVoiceOfFact

            Historically, citizens accomplish the same outcome firing fewer bullets than police and make fewer errors. Have a look at the antigun vs. Constitutional criminology papers published and then decide upon qualification. This is the reason for the wave of shall-issue permit laws. More guns in the hands of law abiding citizens, whether trained or not, results in fewer accidental gunshot deaths. No reasons, no explanations.

          • guest

             gun only has to be locked if children are present……

          • Jersdoowop

            Thanks for the feed back,but my question was i have a nys ccw with restrictions. Can i carry on my person to PA I have a full carry in PA. 

            Thanks

          • Trucksndogs

             I just read your post, and wanted  to let you know that it is against the law to carry a pistol across the n.y. state border in a vehicle. You have to ship it, or meet a cop at the state line, and hand the gun to him, then cross the border and get it back from him. This is just one of the totally insane n.y. gun laws.

          • Jersdoowop

            Thanks for your feed back. But i have a full carry for PA. . My NYS has restrictions Can i carry on my person or do i have too transport to PA.  Jerry P

          • Jim

             He just said by NY state law the answer is NO.

          • Danimperial101

            NOT TRUE I HAVE A NY, PA, FL, SC LICENSE YOU NEED TO REGISTER THE GUN IN NY SO IF YOU BUY IT IN ANOTHER STATE YOU NEED TO SHIP IT IN ONCE ON YOU LTC YOU CAN DO WHAT YOU WANT AND CROSS THE BORDER AS MANY TIMES AS YOU WANT. THE REASON FOR THIS IS THEY WANT TO MAKE SURE YOUR HANDGUN IS COMPLIENT WITH NY LAW IE 10 ROUND MAX AND BALISTICS ON FILE IN ALBANY. IF YOU BUY IT IN MY YOU CAN TAKE IT ACROSS THE PA BORDER ALL YOU WANT

          • Danimperial101

            WELL NOTHING IN NY LAWS SAY THEY CAN PUT RESTRICTIONS ON THE LICENSE. BUT THEY DO. IF YOU BREAK YOUR RESTRICTIONS YOU WILL BE REPORTED TO THE LICENSEING OFFICER THAT PUT THE RESTRICTION ON THE LICENSE. THEN I AM WILLING TO BET HE WILL BE PISSED AND REVOKE YOUR LICNESE. THEN YOU WILL HVE TO TURN IN ALL PISTOLS ON THE LICENSE. NOT REALLY WORTH IT.

          • Danimperial101

            BTW YOU CAN CARRY WITHOUT A LICENSE IN PA AS OPEN CARRY IS LEGAL AND YOU CAN HAVE A LOADED HANDGUN IN ANY CAR WITH A LICENSE FROM ANY STATE. PA HONORS ANY STATE LICENSE IN A CAR ONLY. WHEN YOU GET OUT OF THE CAR UN TUCK AND YOU ARE STILL LEGAL. IF YOU WANT TO CARRY CONCEALED HAVE A LICENSE FROM A STATE THEY HAVE CONCEALED REPROCITY WITH

          • Danimperial101

            YOU CAN NOT CARRY TO PA IF YOU HAVE A RESTRICTION ON YOUR NY LICENSE. IF IT IS UNRESTRICTED YOU CAN DO IT ALL YO U WANT.

          • KYLE

            as long as no one can see your gun your 100% IN THE LEGAL LIMIT TO CARRY. remember…your always to and from a “range” and carry a target and hearing plugs in ur trunk ;)

        • Jersdoowop

          Yes you are right .  I have proff of that. With my ccw restrictions can i carry on my why to PA i have a full carry in PA. And what about on the why home.  Can i stop for a meal .  You can not leave you gun in the car thats the law.  This whole thing just sucks.   Thjank for any input..  Jerry P.

          • Tlester7

            I was told by the NRA instructor that if I am traveling to or from target practice or hunting it is lawful to have the gun on my person. If I must stop for a meal or to get gas etc, the gun must be fully concealed or it is considered “brandishing” and is a reason to revoke my permit.

          • Jersdoowop

            Thanks for feed back.So on my way to PA where i have a full carry i can carry from ny state with my restrictions? Too PA  ?  Thanks Jerry

          • whof44

            It’s is illegal to transport any handgun across state lines, regarless of whether or not you have a CCW for BOTH states you are traveling between! You must ship it, or like the other post says, meet an officer at the border and retrieve it from him on the other side of the state line. It’s a felony if done incorrectly. It was even illegal for POLICE OFFICERS to carry across state lines, even when they were qualified and trained with that weapon up until a few years ago.

      • CHIC

        I HAVE A CCW PERMIT FROM SCHUYLER COUNTY.  MY ONLY RESTRICTION IS THAT I CANNOT CARRY IN NYC AND I SHOULD THINK ALL BE AWARE OF THE PERMIT IN NYC IS EXTREMELY DIFFICULT TO GET. 

      • Rip

         In NYS, or at least in rockland county, the restriction is Residence/Sportsman, which means HOME, HUNTING, TARGET SHOOTING, FISHING, HIKING (this last one means walking in a natural environment).  Also, if you are hunting, make sure you have a hunting license, otherwise it could be considered a violation of you agreement with the judge who issued the permit. 

      • http://www.facebook.com/Mikebrown1216 Michael Brown

        So just to make sure I am clear on all this, I live in and have a NYS Pistol Permit without any restrictions on it(as far as I know, how would I tell?) I can carry any ow my pistols in a Concealed holster with me at all times. Minus of course schools and government areas.

    • Will

      YES !

    • nobux60

      It is when it comes to the criminal.

  • bbc55

    Hector, it is…..

  • http://twitter.com/EagleLegalCCW Richard Neva

    All right check this out! I live in the draconian state of NY and I have carried for years as a Michigan corrections officer.  When I retired to NY that permit was stripped from me and all my guns were confiscated.  It took a almost two years to get them back!  I received a permit to carry a concealed weapon by  Judge Howie Sullivan but he altered it by saying it was restricted to hunting and target practice!  All my guns were concealed carry guns and I am an excellent shot so the that permit was useless and was altered in a felonious manner by this good ole boy judge.  I guess I was not rich enough or did not chum with him at the local watering hole. 

    • NY Correction Officer

      What possessed you to move to NY? Most of the law enforcement officers I know tell me they’re moving out-of-state when retiring. Taxes here are out-of-sight. As far as pistol permits go; New York is a “shall-issue” state. Virtually impossible to get any type of pistol license in NYS, Nassau, Suffolk and Westchester Counties.Outside of NYC and Suffolk County, the county judges serve as the licensing officers and they tend to issue “restricted SPORTMAN’S” permits to civilians. 

    • Peter Hanson

      By him some heavy drinks during lunch break.

    • Redlegagent

      NYS does not recognize permits from other states so the fact that you were a CO in Michigan is irrelevent I’m afraid for the purpose of obtaining a permit.  The NYS Supreme Court recognizes the “right” of County Judges (issuing authorities) to apply restrictions.  You do have the right to request the restriction be removed.  How this is done varies from county to county.  Once an unrestricted permit is issued, if the county judge retires or is replaced, usually the new judge will not apply restrictions to the existing permit without a good reason. I would find out how to apply to remove your restriction and use the fact that you were a CO as justification – it may take a while though so be prepared to wait it out.  What have you got to lose??

    • Redlegagent

      NYS does not recognize permits from other states so the fact that you were a CO in Michigan is irrelevent I’m afraid for the purpose of obtaining a permit.  The NYS Supreme Court recognizes the “right” of County Judges (issuing authorities) to apply restrictions.  You do have the right to request the restriction be removed.  How this is done varies from county to county.  Once an unrestricted permit is issued, if the county judge retires or is replaced, usually the new judge will not apply restrictions to the existing permit without a good reason. I would find out how to apply to remove your restriction and use the fact that you were a CO as justification – it may take a while though so be prepared to wait it out.  What have you got to lose??

    • Dj686g

      Removing restrictions can be difficult in NY, apply to get them removed if you have a good excuse.

  • Jpeluso3

    Get use to it . Like you said if your not a good old boy your screwed. Only his friends will get concealed carry.The problem in New York is DA and Judges hied behind the law.I don’t know how they ever passed the Bar they still can’t understand that the bad guys will always have guns.

    • Noone

      you obviously were not an English major with the spelling….  maybe you should go back to school and become fully literate before you carry a gun

      • Stopspending

        Noone, your a typical liberal loser. As much as I honor ALL of the Constitution, you only want to honor some. Bet you like the 1st Amendment, but don’t think the second applies. Well, the second is there to protect us from people like you who want to remove it. Also, as much as the 10th is good for State’s rights, unfortunately, again, I stand for the lack of them not honoring others in reciprocity. So, Noone, you are no one to me and the great Americans who responsibly own and exercise their second Amendment rights. BTW, should we outlaw auto’s? There are more legal car owner operators who die/kill other Americans everyday/month/year than any legal gun owners by any percentage. Where are you on that? So, i think for the sake of this you’re not a respectful American who honors the Constitution, only a left minded one who believes that the Constitution isn’t worth honoring or fighting for.

        • nobux60

           I’m left handed, but I sure ain’t left minded :)

  • james

    the red indicator above is not right red means not honor but it says “states that honor ny pemit”

    • read before you post

      your not reading it right. Those aren’t the color code, the color code is on the right, those are 2 different links. 

  • The big cat

    Does anyone in the Rochester/Buffalo/Syracuse area know where I can purchase a hand gun on my badge. I am a C O for the State of NY.

    585 993-8254

    Thanks

    • Rmh6776

      Buffalo gun center , on Harlem rd, in the town of Cheektowaga

  • Joe

    NY needs to start honoring Reciprocity with other states and it will be returned!!  Although not as bad as some other states, they are still infringing on our rights!

    • William Antico

      That’s 100% Correct ! State like NY that infringe on the 2nd amendment, I call “The People’s Republic of …” such as New York. When a state doesn’t comply with the rights garenteed to us by the constitution, then are they really acting as U.S. States ? New Jersey is as bad, so is California, and Illinois is even worse.

      • Spencer

         Maybe they’re afraid that people who can’t spell “guaranteed”,aren’t responsible enough to safely use firearms.

        • Www Firefly

          what a stupid comment,typical liberal who has to attack ones character because they do not agree.

          • nyleo

            im sure they dont offer reciprocity in the other state’s close to ny because our guidelines to carry are weak….. There should be a mandatory course for the responsibility to carry a loaded handgun!
            not just a clean background check and money, any joe shmoo who does’nt know squat about gun’s can carry….

          • nyleo

            im sure they dont offer reciprocity in the other state’s close to ny because our guidelines to carry are weak….. There should be a mandatory course for the responsibility to carry a loaded handgun!
            not just a clean background check and money, any joe shmoo who does’nt know squat about gun’s can carry….

          • http://www.facebook.com/william.dahl.bc William Dahl

            And EXACTLY where in the 2nd Amendment does it state that you need to know ANYTHING about arms in order to carry them? Oh, wait a minute — IT DOESN’T… BECAUSE THAT WOULD *INFRINGE* UPON OUR RIGHTS. The right to bear arms is a universal right of all free men. If you allow the government the power to set training requirements, you are opening the door for an ever increasing amount of “training” so that the government can discourage anyone from doing it. Sure, I think that people should be very familiar with the weapon that they carry, but I do not want to see government mandated training. I think we need less legislation, not more.

          • http://www.facebook.com/eric.casey.98892 Eric Casey

            I’m in WA and we don’t require a test of any kind! Pay $60 and get fingerprinted and then it comes in the mail! I got my CCW out of AZ too, but I had to take a class and qualify to get that one. However, they don’t require a permit of any kind now days. I think all 50 states should have the EXACT SAME laws in regards to firearms! Must pass a background check, take a firearms safety class & then qualify so that they know you know how to shoot! Also, a DV conviction is an asinine reason to revoke the right to bare arms. Just my 2 cents though

          • JSpain

            I am sure that anyone who thinks NYS has weak guidelines to carry a handgun has no clue what they are talking about at all, not even a little. NYS has some of the most stringent laws in the Nation. I would specualte many states don’t grant reciprocity simply because NY does not grant it to them.

          • nyleo

            im sure they dont offer reciprocity in the other state’s close to ny because our guidelines to carry are weak….. There should be a mandatory course for the responsibility to carry a loaded handgun!
            not just a clean background check and money, any joe shmoo who does’nt know squat about gun’s can carry….

          • nyleo

            im sure they dont offer reciprocity in the other state’s close to ny because our guidelines to carry are weak….. There should be a mandatory course for the responsibility to carry a loaded handgun!
            not just a clean background check and money, any joe shmoo who does’nt know squat about gun’s can carry….

          • nyleo

            im sure they dont offer reciprocity in the other state’s close to ny because our guidelines to carry are weak….. There should be a mandatory course for the responsibility to carry a loaded handgun!
            not just a clean background check and money, any joe shmoo who does’nt know squat about gun’s can carry….

          • nyleo

            im sure they dont offer reciprocity in the other state’s close to ny because our guidelines to carry are weak….. There should be a mandatory course for the responsibility to carry a loaded handgun!
            not just a clean background check and money, any joe shmoo who does’nt know squat about gun’s can carry….

          • nyleo

            im sure they dont offer reciprocity in the other state’s close to ny because our guidelines to carry are weak….. There should be a mandatory course for the responsibility to carry a loaded handgun!
            not just a clean background check and money, any joe shmoo who does’nt know squat about gun’s can carry….

          • nyleo

            im sure they dont offer reciprocity in the other state’s close to ny because our guidelines to carry are weak….. There should be a mandatory course for the responsibility to carry a loaded handgun!
            not just a clean background check and money, any joe shmoo who does’nt know squat about gun’s can carry….

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1506491231 Kevin Keefer

            LOL….sticky keyboard fella?

          • nyleo

            im sure they dont offer reciprocity in the other state’s close to ny because our guidelines to carry are weak….. There should be a mandatory course for the responsibility to carry a loaded handgun!
            not just a clean background check and money, any joe shmoo who does’nt know squat about gun’s can carry….

          • nyleo

            im sure they dont offer reciprocity in the other state’s close to ny because our guidelines to carry are weak….. There should be a mandatory course for the responsibility to carry a loaded handgun!
            not just a clean background check and money, any joe shmoo who does’nt know squat about gun’s can carry….

          • nyleo

            im sure they dont offer reciprocity in the other state’s close to ny because our guidelines to carry are weak….. There should be a mandatory course for the responsibility to carry a loaded handgun!
            not just a clean background check and money, any joe shmoo who does’nt know squat about gun’s can carry….

          • nyleo

            im sure they dont offer reciprocity in the other state’s close to ny because our guidelines to carry are weak….. There should be a mandatory course for the responsibility to carry a loaded handgun!
            not just a clean background check and money, any joe shmoo who does’nt know squat about gun’s can carry….

          • nyleo

            im sure they dont offer reciprocity in the other state’s close to ny because our guidelines to carry are weak….. There should be a mandatory course for the responsibility to carry a loaded handgun!
            not just a clean background check and money, any joe shmoo who does’nt know squat about gun’s can carry….

          • nyleo

            im sure they dont offer reciprocity in the other state’s close to ny because our guidelines to carry are weak….. There should be a mandatory course for the responsibility to carry a loaded handgun!
            not just a clean background check and money, any joe shmoo who does’nt know squat about gun’s can carry….

          • nyleo

            im sure they dont offer reciprocity in the other state’s close to ny because our guidelines to carry are weak….. There should be a mandatory course for the responsibility to carry a loaded handgun!
            not just a clean background check and money, any joe shmoo who does’nt know squat about gun’s can carry….

          • nyleo

            im sure they dont offer reciprocity in the other state’s close to ny because our guidelines to carry are weak….. There should be a mandatory course for the responsibility to carry a loaded handgun!
            not just a clean background check and money, any joe shmoo who does’nt know squat about gun’s can carry….

          • nyleo

            im sure they dont offer reciprocity in the other state’s close to ny because our guidelines to carry are weak….. There should be a mandatory course for the responsibility to carry a loaded handgun!
            not just a clean background check and money, any joe shmoo who does’nt know squat about gun’s can carry….

          • pat

            I agree Firefly, person can’t stand on substance so, will attack. An old saying, “if you cannot dazzle with brilliance then, baffle with bullshit”

    • Jersdoowop

      Right on. Jerry P.  

    • Tomd1rx

      NYS DICTATORIAL DEMOCRATS

    • Bigsmoove711

      tell other states to get tougher gun laws n maybe u would have a argument

      • Someguy

        The laws in other states are fine. You do not have any sort of valid point.

        • http://www.facebook.com/william.dahl.bc William Dahl

          Actually, the laws in other states are too restrictive. The ONLY gun “law” that we need is the 2nd Amendment.

      • nobux60

        Better that they make tougher mouth laws for people like you.  That would significantly drop the argument/crime rate in itself.

    • http://www.facebook.com/mikev9359 Mike Vignapiano

      NY does have reciprocity with the following states: Alaska, Arizona, Idaho, Indiana, Iowa, Kentucky, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, North Carolina, Oklahoma, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Vermont, Wisconsin. There is NOT one state that has reciprocity with all states.

  • Gaius

    There are different counties in NYS that are somewhat considered “shall, or may issue” carry counties.
    NYC, Westchester, Putnam, Nassau, Suffolk are all restricted target issue for  the most part. I have a friend who lives in Orange who got a restricted hunting/ target, and after a year they made it an unrestricted license.
    Can anyone tell me, If they know, what counties issue unrestricted carry right off the bat? I believe that Dutchess county is of that mindset. Any others?

    Thanks

    • garry

      I think that it mostly depends on the Judge.  If the Judge that reviews the application want to put restrictions he will.  I know that columbia county and probably most other counties are unrestricted permits. 

    • Import2nrz

      Putnam does as well.

  • Paul

    When I went to hand my application in yesterday in buffalo,Ny, I was handed a packet that asked about any previous mental illness, if I’ve ever been evaluated, If I’ve been treated by a psychologist or psychiatrist. I answered no to all the questions..signed the form and continued with completing the application process. After I returned home..I began thinking about a few of the questions that were asked..and realized that I had a evaluation done about 9 years ago but was not diagnosed with any mental illness. This took place at ecmc hospital in buffalo..due to a bad relationship breakup. My question is..will that be held against me if I did not list it?.. should I go back to the pistol permit department and let them know that I had forgotten about that incident?…I want to be completely honest..and don’t want to blow my chance of getting my permit. I don’t want them to think im trying to hide anything..any thoughts or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

    Newbie from buffalo, ny.

    • Oldbie from New York

      Your prescription for an anti-depressant is not a reason to disclose that you have been treated by a psychologist or psychiatrist, or that you are “mentally defective” unless, if fact, any one of these three statements is true. If you have been treated by a psychologist or psychiatrist, it is on record with the NYS Department of Mental Health (a clear HIPPA violation to access, and invasion of privacy, but we’ll deal with that in another post I’m sure). These types of practitioners have a duty and are bound by law to report patients to NYS Dept. of Mental Health. So, if your regular doctor prescribed anti-depressants to you, you are technically in the clear. A lot of quit-smoking medications are technically anti-depressants, and many have other uses. I’m not judging in any manner but there is an ethical/moral issue of having a handgun or other firearm at your disposal if you are depressed, etc. If you had a single incident 9 years ago, I would not worry about it.

  • GQ

    I was medically discharged for PTSD does this mean I have no shot at a concealed carry permit?

    • JMG

      Which state are you in? Yes, it matters. Although Federal Law states that you may not be judged “mentally defective” it matters which state you are in for enforcement and time frame, etc. Chances are that your discharge will stand in your way of a lot, even though we, as a country, should demand that we get you whatever resources are necessary to help you conquer your PTSD and then say thank you for your service and for keeping us free, that will (sadly) never happen. I’m sorry I don’t have better news, and I hope I’m wrong.

  • Paul

    Ok..Im a newbie here and not sure if this is the appropriate place to post this question, so please bear with me. I went to hand in my application on friday at the pistol permit dept, here in buffalo, ny. before the process was complete, i was handed a packet to review and sign about the following: 
    have you ever had a mental evaluation? have you ever been treated for any mental illness? Have you ever been seen by a psychiatrist or psychologist? I answered no to all questions, signed and handed it in to complete my application process. After I got home..I got thinking about the questions that were asked. Back in 2003 I admitted myself to ecmc after a very bad break-up. Im not sure if i was evaluated…and was released 2 days later…being told that I did not need to be there. I also have been on anti-depressants since 2002 and was not aware that depression was a mental illness. My question here is….should I go back down to the pistol permit department and inform them that I had forgotten to list that incident? is it too late to do so? will that be held against me? Is that grounds enough to denied my application? I have been very careful filling out my application as far as disclosing any past criminal history, and to make sure my references have had no arrest history. I do not want them to think I am hiding anything..and am not %100 sure that this information will even come up. Any thoughts or advice is greatly appreciated,

    • William

      Paul, Is there a medical record of that time you are talking about ? Did you notice on the form if there was a time limit mentioned, such as saying “in the past 10 years” or did it say “ever” ?
      Because remember that New York is a “May Issue” state not a “Shall Issue” state. So if they find the record of you being held for psych evaluation, and you did not tell them or explain it, they could deny you your permit. That doesn’t mean they will, but they could. They may call you and say hey, were you admitted in a hospital way back when for a psych evaluation ? You may just wind up with having to give a  lengthy explaination. If it’s been a month since you turned in your papers, and haven’t yet heard about it, then you have a choice to make. Call up the pistol section and tell them the story, and see what they say, or don’t say anything  at all, and see if they find out about it. If you don’t say anything , and they find it, you could just explain it then. Why did you fail to tell us about this? You forgot all about it, or you were told by the doctors you were not deemed mentally distressed, and that you were diagnosed as being fine. And that’s why you didn’t mention it. So it’s your call. Take care.

  • bill compton

    this is why im moving out of NY there gun laws suck…….there so scared about other states not realizing some if not more people have more guns in the cops

    • William

      I don’t blame you. I’m just wondering what State your looking to move to ? Are gun laws the only criteria you have for moving ? Because if that’s the case, Utah, Arizona, Alaska and Vermont probably have the best gun laws in the country.

      • Stevesharpunit65

        wyoming is prolly best for ccw now, you dont even need a permit to carry concealed in wyoming now, you can carry open or concealed no prob,

        • Kyle

          The same applies for Vermont, the glory of vermont is, is that there is no permit there at all. As long as your a resident in VT and can legally own guns, u can carry open, consealed without a permit of any kind…awsomeness!

      • Jason C

        Don’t forget Pennsylvania

  • Yakker0117

    Other than carrying a great deal of money what are considered good excuses/reasons for having restrictions removed?  For example is an NRA fireoarms instructor a valid reason?  Any others??

    • Fishman777

      the main reason to have the restrictions removed is that they are not legal.
      they are unsupported in statutory law, and you cannot be charged with a crime for carrying outside your restrictions…and each county is different….hunting, fishing, trapping and all sporting activities….at any given time you are going to or coming from something on that list….I now recommend “all lawful purposes” to be included on your app.
      remember the “restrictions” have no support in law….go to the NYSP web sight they mention on there that it is not a crime to violate your restrictions…however they can turn you back to the issuing officer for review….but according to the penal code your license can only be revoked for a crime or serious offense…since the carrying outside of ilegal restrictions constitutes none of the above I rest my case……

      • Jersdoowop

        Good show every thing you said is true.  I have one for you, hope you can help. I have a nys ccw with restrictions . I also have a PA full carry. Can i carry from NY State to PA with my pistol on my person >  Mind you I will be carrying for hicking when i get too PA.  Can i stop for lunch while on  on my way too PA.   Thanks for the help.    Jerry p.  PS they make things so diffacult in some countys of NYS.

  • Johnkvocka

    I have a NYS LTC concealed weapon. If I obtain one in a neighboring state, must I relinquish my NYS LTC?

  • Steve

    I’m curious where I can find written regulations for “hunting and target ” only regulations for licenses issued in Westchester County, NY. 

    • Scott

      There are none.  County judges issue arbitrary restrictions from the bench and this practice has been upheld on multiple appeals.   NY essentially adopts a guilty until you prove yourself innocent approach to pistol licensing. 

  • Dale

    I am handing in the first part of the application forms ($10 fee part) friday in Schuyler county. My concern is I have a Disorderly Conduct charge which is non finger printable. Is this going to present an issue with the next part? I just dont want to get my hopes up. I’m 21 and in college but have been a resident of my home town for 16 years… Any insight?

    • Jersdoowop

      I think you will be ok up their. I live in Westchester County no so easy down here.  Regards and good luch.   Jerry

    • Bigjay1580

      I have my minor arrest records sealed do I still list that I’ve been arrested while applying for it?

  • Jersdoowop

    with restrictions can i stop for gas mand food on my way up state to go hunting . i have a ccw. with restrictions hunting target and bussiness.  thanksa  jerry p.

  • Jersdoowop

    can i stop in a dinner on my way to my hunting cabin in up state ny i have a ccw with the good old restrictions. Ps you can leave it in the car.  Thanks Jerry p.

  • Dave!

    I have a permit. If I take a friend to go target shooting, is he allowed to shoot my glock if I’m there or is this a revocable offense?

    • Yakker0117

      In NY your friend cannot handle your handgun unless he has a pistol permit from NYSE. The exception is that he/she can shoot your gun if he is between the ages of 18 and 21 AND you are the parent or guardian. Go figure!

      • Glase5550

        bro a 12yr can use a pistol until he-she turns 21. and supervizer will folwler said carry to and from the activity. and make sure you keep it concealed no open carry and never leave handgun unattended, meaning dont leave them in your car . all these laws and regulations are easy to find and understand. your child can only use pistols with your presence only

    • Tomd1rx

      your friend cannot lrgally fire your handgun and you would be in violation and subject to have your permit revoked

    • Oppie1

      Dave,
      Unless that person is under 21 yeard of age that will work, but otherwise you, and they, are screwed.

  • Artie

    I live in Sullivan County. However, my business is in New York City. The nature of my business requires me to carry large sums of money (between $5,000 and $10,000). Can I get a carry permit in Sullivan County and get a validation(or whatever it’s called) from NYC to carry the pistol in the city?

  • Llzols64

    Can I carry concealed in Nassau ny?

  • Jersdoowop

    I have a ny state ccw with restrictions huntine target bussiness.  Whe i go on a hunting trip for a few days . Can i bring my gun into a motel with me?  Thanks Jerry P

  • MARTOMUSA

    I still can’t find anywhere if, having a valid NY State (Nassau County) “carry to a from the range” (in addition to hunting), I am allowed to go to a Manhattan (NYC) range to shoot. Would I get arrested?
    And I do not understand why a NYC resident can come to a Nassau County range with NO problem.
    Please advise. Thank you all.

  • Gary

    if i live in niagara county and i purchase a gun in erie county can the pp office in erie add the gun to my permit or do i have to physically go to the niagara county office before i can pick the gun up ?

    • Scott

      You may only add or remove pistols to your permit at the county agency which issues and holds your original pistol permit. 

  • Kennyp

    what if you are moving to NY, and bringing your weapons with you? How am I supposed to get my weapons here from Colorado? Ship them? YEAH RIGHT! Im not shipping ANY of my weapons so they can get LOST/STOLEN on the way to NY…This is CRAZY!

    • Scott

      You cannot bring them with you.  It would be a felony.  You must first secure a NYS resident pistol permit, which takes 3-6 months on average.  You must then ship the firearms from a Colorado FFL to a NY FFL who can then transfer them onto your NYS pistol license.  In NY a pistol license is not a blanket permission – you are actually licensed to your specific firearms and your license will note make, model, caliber, serial number and barrel length.

  • Earlebre28

    I’m currently in the military and want to get my concealed carry permit in New York, but I’m under 21. I saw that age doesn’t matter if you have been honorably discharged, does that apply to active duty as well?

  • Dan

    I am reading comments and I went to the local court house and applied for a unrestricted license and the reason I put down was defense of self and others. I was granted a unrestricted license and the license does not expire. also I am not a NY resident. everybody keeps posting and talking shit but the process is not that hard in NY. I in fact agree with the screening process becasue I believe in teh 2nd ammendment but also believe that cretain people do not deserve the right to have a gun in the general public.

    • Gene Luciano

       Where did you apply? Probably not in NYC, right?

    • Jason C

      Dan, where do you currently reside and what county in NY did you apply? I’m seeing a lot of misleading info on these sites about applying for a non resident license in NY.

    • Kec310

      The process is extremely hard and very prejudicial according to the county you are residing in. It is totally dependant on the judge in your county(Chemung has an anti-gun judge)
      If you received an unrestricted permit and you are not a NYS resident, consider yourself extremely fortunate, as ther are MANY residents who are denied their right to receive one!

  • Scott

    Your NY Page States:

    Concealed Permit:

    May Issue to Residents and Non-Residents

    That is NOT factually correct.  There is no provision to issue a New York pistol permit to anyone other than a NYS resident.

  • Nonreg

    I live in Orange County NY. I have a full carry permit for 25 years and am planning to move to NC upon retirement. I will still have family in NY and am planning on applying for CCW in NC. My question is… will I be able to get a non resident CCW as your web page says is available in NY State? There is alot of conflicting information out there. BOB G

  • Mike K.

    I have a NYC premises permit, I own a home and property in ustate NY can I get a NYS carry permit also?

    • Bruce S

       Mike i have the question, so if you do get the answer, please post it, i had called up NYC 1PP and tried to get some information they just hanged up the phone. if you don’t carry  a large sum of money your out of luck.

  • Doug

    Does anyone know how a permitted individual can legally carry a handgun in a car?  Does it have to be on the individual or can it be in the glove box, trunk or concealed in some other way in the car?

  • nicholas dohman

    can someone under 18 poses and shoot a pistol under supervision at a shooting range

  • Hschnetler

    Yakker0117, Yes you can stop for a meal if it says “Hunting & Target” on it, the part of stopping if it is questioned is not a crime.

  • Bignate2586

    Do I need to apply for a pistol permit before applying for a CC?

  • Bill

    I hope that the courts will overturn the overly restrictive nys gun laws.  While I have a carry permit it is restricted to hunting and target shooting.  Trying to upgrade to a “full carry” permit but in Westchester County you need to know a judge to get this done.  Meanwhile criminals are free to carry at all times!  I heard someone was taking Westchester to federal court on this issue anyone know the status of the case?

  • WBushnell

    Is this link in the automobile cary section working? It doesn’t work for me. 

    It is unlawful for any person to carry, possess or transport a handgun in or through the state unless he has a valid New York license. More details on this click here.

  • WBushnell

    Is this link in the automobile cary section working? It doesn’t work for me. 

    It is unlawful for any person to carry, possess or transport a handgun in or through the state unless he has a valid New York license. More details on this click here.

  • Sundried17

    I live in Suffolk county and want to get a carrying permit but most of my work will be in Nassau county does this mean I have to register with them as well?

  • Val

     I’m moving to NY from Tennessee and I realize that NY does NOT recognize any other state’s CCW permit… but I haven’t found any specific rules/laws for Ontario County??  Probably going to live in between Rochester and Canandaigua.  Can anyone share the info…??  What do I need to get an unrestricted handgun conceal carry permit up there??  Thanks!!!

  • Summitsky

    is a retired leo with the hr 218 authorized to carry their weapon in the 5 boroughs of new york city.

  • Summitsky

    is a retired leo with the hr 218 authorized to carry their weapon in the 5 boroughs of new york city.

  • Greenearth10

    Ok.. I’m not clear. I have a full CCW permit from Philadelphia. I plan on traveling to NYC for a few days. Is my CCW ok in NYC because of my proximity to Phila?
    It was my understanding that I could Only not carry in NJ and Illinois.

  • Bob

    what joe said

  • tara

    help! I have a valid Pistol Permit in Clinton Co. NY.  Recently I was denied to purchase a new hand gun. any advice?
     

  • Chris

    Im coming up to NY on vacation, I have a SC CWP , I understand i cannot carry there, but can i have it in my vehicle?

  • Vito

    How do I transfer my restricted pistol permit into a concealed carry. I own a business now which requires me to carry large sums of money for deposit . Is it just an ammendment to my license or is it a whole new application?

  • nobux60

    Sounds like NY politicians are still intruding on state resident’s 2 amendment rights.  

  • Mackermb

    I reside at upstate New York area and just got my Pa. pistol permit for conceal carry. Now I have the legal right to carry in many reciprocity states to Pa.  5/2012

  • N.Y.S.W.A.T

    I am just blogging on this site to commend the educated gun owners and supporters of the FULL constitution, on the excellent defense of the second amendment that some have provided against misinformed left minded fools. We must protect out constitution! 

  • Ken Robbins

    God bless Vermont!  No conceal carry permits required.  Just be a law abiding citizen with a clean record which would allow you to purchase a weapon in the first place.  Vermont truly believes in the second amendment.  I wish NY did as I like to frequently camp in the Adirondacks.

  • moose

    I am a MI resident with a cpl planning a trip to upstate ny. I always carry when traveling with the family, but have never been in ny before. Is what I read true, about not even being allowed to transport a handgun across st lines without having a valid ny permit?

    • armcomm

      The minute you cross the NY state line with a handgun and no NY license you’re committing a felony here, Moose.

  • Rick

    Amazingly NY wont honor reciprocity because they feel that the guidelines from other states are “too soft” yet how can anybody explain the fact that NY gun crimes are committed at a higher rate than these so called “irresponsible states” I would really like to hear the answer to that. I am open minded, I just haven’t been able to figure out why this is the case.

    I was born and raised in NYC and moved to Alabama for a year and let me tell you. I met some of the nicest people in the world down there and most of them owned not 1 or 2 but many guns. Not one of them was a criminal, drug addict or lowlife. They just exercised their right to own firearms. In general I felt safer in Alabama (including the bad areas) that I feel in NYC’s bad areas. I really believe that everyone should have a right to carry a firearm especially if they have never committed any crimes. But if you can convince me otherwise I will listen.

  • Allie

    I have a cwp in the state of Florida. I will be traveling through NY can I carry?

  • Marselle

    Can i conceal carry in upstate NY, i am a Georgia resident with a Georgia conceled carry permit

    • retired co

      Sorry Marselle, NYS recognizes no other states permits.

  • al

    So my question does it honor Ga. Cause I’m license to carry in Ga and I’m planning to make an trip up there and I wanted to be safe and sure and about tripping with it

    • retiredco

      New York State does not honor a Georgia permit nor does it honor any other states permits. You MUST have a valid NYS permit to carry in NYS. Maybe in the future we can change this archaic law.

  • Rench

    Hello every one ! I have a queston maybe someone can give me info on ! I have a ny permit full carry un restricted, goshen, ny befor i moved to pa i called goshen an they told me my permit was good for life , had it since im 21, now i live in pa for 14 years an have a permit here for 13 yrs, pa is telling me my ny permit is no good here , an i cant carry from stste to state. My problem is i have guns on both permits an pa cant tell me how i can add my guns to my pa lic from ny lic , what the hell is this world coming to, , someone have any answers , thanks ! U can gey me at joedrench2011@gmail.com ! Thanks joe

  • josh

    Where do I go to get applications, do military police veterans have to attend the firearm course?

  • Pete Nice

    So I have heard that to get a non resident in NY state, you need to know which judge in which county to go to. Some judges are in favor of concealed carry and are much more willing to provide the permit. I would assume this would apply more to western and northern NY state.

    SO, my question is, does anyone know of one of these judges in one of these counties? If so, can you tell us, or is kept as an insider thing to keep too many people from knowing?

  • ChrisXXX

    Will I get denied in Erie county for my restricted pistol permit for being prescribed valiume and meds for insomnia . The NRA instructor said it won’t be a problem . I hope I didn’t waste all my time and money and get denied” I do not have a mental illness.

  • GUNMAN

    IF A STATE HAS VERY HIGH CRIME ,WHY NOT HAVE THE CWP? I THINK THAT IF A CRIMINAL , DOES KNOW WHO HAS A GUN OR WHO DOES NOT HAVE ONE ,HE OR SHE MIGHT NOT DO THE CRIME ,THAT HE OR SHE IS THINKING OF..SOUNDS GOOD ????

  • http://www.facebook.com/james.fix.7 James Fix

    i have a SC CWP and need to come to new york for a funeral, if i have my gun unloaded and in a lock box in the trunk am I able to have it in the vehicle?

  • Josh

    This page is wrong. I have a NY permit and have relatives in MI you CAN carry in MICHIGAN, makes me wonder what else is wrong with this sites info.

  • Ed

    Greetings, I am a Florida resident and I posess a CCW firearms permit within my home state. I also own a business in New Hampshire where this permit is honored. I am building another business in New York State Washington County,and I wish to legally be able to travel between these two places to and opperate my business in NY State, therefore I will need a Non Resident CCW License issued by the state of NY Washington County to legally carry a concealed firearm. I realize NY State has tough gun laws, however I have read on USACARRY.COM that it is possible for nonresident of NY State, who owns a business within the state, to be issued a CCW Permit. Is that possible and if so can anyone refer me to the RSA # authorizing such a permit?

  • Gwenda Nealy

    Please reply.

  • Gwenda Nealy

    I carry concealed an I am disable,I Live in North Carolina and I travel to New York to visit Family and GrandKids.I feel if I am legal in my state, Why shouldn’t I be aloud to carry my weapon alone the Interstate across state to state to visit, for my safety.Please someone in office reply.

    • armcomm

      I think many of us sympathize with you Gwenda in that Constitutional Rights should not be subject to state jurisdiction and restriction. However the reality of the situation is that if you bring a handgun to New York State you are committing a felony.

  • Ricky

    HR 218 should override all this crap.

  • dan

    is my utah ccw permit good in buffalo new york ? if not what do i have to do to obtain one?

  • pa resident.

    seriously. fuck communist ny.

  • james

    dont let the blacks get a gun, problem solved

  • Denny

    I was born and raised in N,Y, 23 years and moved to T,N, and I have my carry permit for T,N, does any one no if that would help me get a non resident carry

  • mike ny

    is nys unresticted permit the same as concealed carry??

  • XO

    Living in new york city I can tell you that most criminals carry weapons of all sorts! The PIGS(cops) are never around when something goes down or by the time they show up it’s late and the person is probably bleeding half to death from being shot, stabbed or beaten with a weapon cause they were unable to carry a weapon to defend themselves.

  • Jayyy

    Operating a firearm is very simple. I learned how to strip and clean a glock without training Truth is some ppl are just stupid and even if they had plenty of training. They’ll probably end up hurting themselves.

  • Hefley

    Does anyone know of specific jurisdictions in NY that are more inclined to issue CCW permits? I have a VA permit, but when visiting my father in VT, it is illegal for me to bring my firearms through NY. Which means I either have to fly and check them (which is a pain, and not cheap) or I have borrow guns from my dad the entire time I’m up there. I’d like to apply for a non-resident NY permit, but the “may issue” piece means it’s basically up to the discretion of the issuing authority of the county in which I apply. So, If anyone know of a county (or counties) that are sympathetic to the right to bear arms and more inclined to issue non-resident permits, that information would be greatly appreciated. Thank.

  • SHARE THE LOVE

    I live in MA and currently have a high capacity LTC concealed. My family lives in NY. What do I need to do to be able to bring my AR-15 and my 22 rifle to NY to hunt or just shoot at my uncles place?

    • http://www.facebook.com/GQ4Life Greg Quillen

      Lock rifle in case in trunk.. lock ammo in globe box. Dont give cop reason to search. Dont do anything illegal. Your 4th amendment protects you from illegal search.

  • 1lt. smith

    Well what happens if I decide to. move back to ny from Florida? Am I expected to just not bring my weapon with me?

  • Don W

    Who would you notified if you feel a guy or heard a guy lost his job for having a bad temper and is going to the hospital for councling about his temper and he has a pistol permit? Should they pull his permit?
    Thanks

  • http://www.facebook.com/joey.tinelli Joey Tinelli

    Anyone Who Is Moving From Another State To NEW YORK OR THE CITY Who Has A Permit Should Be Re-Checked With A Full Background,,Re-quaily with there firearm. Most States Are Way Laxed Then New York,,Anyone With A Permit From Another State Should Apply To All NY Or NYC Required Laws & Standards,, If It Requires Another Background Check So Be It The Person Applying Who Already Has A Permit From Another State Should’nt Have Anything To Worry About,, If It’s A Inconveince Oh Well Get Over It,, There Are Way To Many People Today That Have Guns And Our Kids,,Famlies Are Being Shattered Because Some Whack Job Got A Gun Permit From A Way To Laxed State,, So Again Moving From Another State Means You Go Through Another Background Check I Think Thats A Great Thing,, Because Who Know’s The Person With The Way Laxed Out Of State Gun Permit What He Or She Has Done In The Past Prior To Moving To NYS Or The City?? If You Have Nothing To Hide Besides A Inconveince Then What’s The Problem?? We Are Just Protecting Our Kids,,Famlies Of New York State & The City. This Is Not The Wild West Where They Issue Gun Permits At Birth So When Leave The Hosp You Have Your Birth Certifcate & Your Gun Permit,,LOL.