Within the last 60 days, a majority in both our U.S. Senate and House (52 Senators and 238 Representatives) have joined to oppose the move to ban a popular type of ammo used in the top-selling AR-15 rifle and pistol because it pierces police body armor. The reason: popular rifle ammo is not used in shootouts with police and support for the intent of our Second Amendment. Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Senator Chuck Grassley echoed that in his own letter signed by 51 other Senators and members of Congress that said “Second Amendment rights require not only access to firearms but to bullets. If law-abiding gun owners cannot obtain rifle ammunition, or face substantial difficulty in finding ammunition available and at reasonable prices because government entities are banning such ammunition, then the Second Amendment is at risk.” There have been many bills introduced over the last 4 years or so attempting to ban ammo and guns, including banning online ammo sales. But this current attempt is serious.
This week in May, 2015, Representative Bonnie Watson-Coleman (freshman Democrat of New Jersey) introduced another of the latest assaults on the Second Amendment with the introduction of H.R. 2283 or the Stop Online Ammunition Sales Act of 2015. This bill is a very serious attempt to stop (and create more hurdles for) consumers from purchasing ammo over the Internet and to prevent accumulating and storing large stocks of ammunition. Rep. Watson-Coleman said in a press release “This bill would take the most basic steps to slow the proliferation of guns and ammunition, helping to prevent events like what we saw in Aurora, Colorado three years ago.” Courtney Cochran, Rep. Watson-Coleman’s communications director, said if someone is trying to stock pile ammunition for a malicious reason, the bill would give law enforcement a better chance at preventing an attack. She said the bill aims to help prevent malicious attacks like the July 2012 shooting in the Aurora, Colo. movie theater that left 12 dead and 70 wounded. Carole Stiller, president of the Brady Campaign’s anti-gun Million Mom March, supports it and added “A consumer product that has the potential to kill, like a bullet, should be regulated in a manner similar to cigarettes and certain allergy medicines.” But the lingering truth is that bad guys themselves attack, kill, and murder others, not their tools… the guns and ammo. Bad guys will get their ammo someway from someone in amounts that want and laws do not matter to them. Another law will not stop them. Another law might prevent good guys from effectively defending themselves and their loved ones and enjoying their sports hobby, because they cannot become as proficient as they need to be for self defense or for competition, sports, or hunting to control over-population of certain animals and benefiting society. The National Shooting Sports Foundation estimates that 10-12 billion rounds of ammunition are produced domestically each year. The market research firm IBIS World says there is at least a $3 billion-a-year small arms ammo industry and online ammo sales have been gaining in popularity “due to convenience and lower prices consumers can get by buying in bulk online.”
In essence what the bill wants to do is to require (1) face to face purchases of ammunition, (2) licensing of ammunition dealers, and (3) reporting regarding bulk purchases of ammunition. The Act would require federally licensed ammunitions dealers to confirm the identity of individuals who arrange to purchase ammunition over the Internet by verifying a photo ID in-person (difficult to do over the computer and at long distances.) In essence, ammo buyers would need to present a photo I.D. IN-PERSON at an authorized dealer before the shipment could be made. Most Internet ammo sellers with very good prices do not have a retail store for you to go to. The bill would also require ammunition vendors to report any sales of more than 1,000 rounds within five consecutive days to the U.S. attorney general if the person purchasing ammunition is not a licensed dealer. It would also require the federal government to issue licenses to ammunition dealers. This would be an added cost and expense of doing business, which would probably be passed on in the form of even higher ammo prices. It seems to me that lawmakers proposing such laws are merely attempting to capitalize on horrible tragedies to further their agenda and disdain for the Second Amendment. Might there be another Executive Order or action?”
So does this new regulation match the intent of the Second Amendment to our U.S. Constitution? Does it make sense to you as a law-abiding citizen patriot who enjoys shooting for fun, casually plinking to see if you can get a bullseye, or even for you as a competition shooter or avid hunter? What are your ideas?
As you would expect, the National Rifle Association (NRA) strongly opposes ammunition regulation. The NRA argues that banning online ammo sales would turn back the clock to the days when ammo was only available in person at licensed stores, driving up prices and making less popular cartridges nearly unobtainable for millions of lawful gun owners.
Sufficient Practice, Training, and Self-Defense Ammo
Aside from the valid and proven intent of our Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution to “keep and bear arms”, questions arise about online righteous ammo purchases. First, should the government or any law regulate the quantity of ammo you use or can buy for legal self-defense and training purposes and how you buy it? A big and highly debatable issue. IF SO, then what is a sufficient amount? Many sports, competition, hunting, and law-abiding citizen shooters that legally buy and stockpile many rounds of training and practice ammo have no intention of going on a shooting spree to kill others or committing illegal acts. In fact, some stockup on their ammo because of the fear of legislation that will indeed limit their supply for lawful purposes or make it very difficult to even obtain ammo to protect themselves.
One of the many questions is “What is a reasonable amount of practice, training, or self-defense ammo for a legitimate consumer?” Practice is absolutely mandatory for effective use of your self-defense handgun and your concealed carry handgun, or for that matter ANY gun. For example, say you practice every two weeks and shoot 200 rounds a practice session at the range. That seems a reasonable practice time and minimum rounds for most. (Many shoot much more than that.) Over 52 weeks, that comes to about 4,800 rounds a year minimum for this example. If you only shoot once a month and fire 200 rounds, that is about 2,400 rounds. Even if you shoot once every other month and shoot only 200 rounds, that comes to 1,200 rounds. For all of these example practice scenarios, you would need to purchase more than the 1,000 rounds. This bill addresses stockpiling of ammo and mentions 1,000 rounds limitations and control steps. Another question is “What about legitimate competition shooters, gun shooting and concealed carry gun class students and instructors, or sports shooters and their practice, classroom and range ammo amounts and purchase options, etc.?” Some competition shooters may shoot 1,000 rounds or more in one month. Also, if an instructor teaches 4 gun shooting classes a month with only 8 students each and provides the ammo, there could be a need for at least 1,000 rounds of ammo a month. If multiple calibers and various gun models are used each class, many more rounds can be used monthly. For example, for our classes I regularly buy bulk ammo since we use various handgun models and include all ammo in various calibers to familiarize our students with various shooting options. So another question comes to mind “Do mass maniac killers shoot 200 rounds or more at a single crazed shooting?” I have not researched this, but I am not aware of any mass shootings where 200 rounds or more were fired. A further consideration is so what if a legitimate shooter or even a criminal mass shooter stockpiles ammo (like the mass shooter in Aurora, CO who supposedly stockpiled about 1,500 rounds of ammo.) He can not easily carry that much ammo at one time or quickly access it. Is this ammo stockpiling even significantly relevant? Consider also that the provision requiring sellers to report purchases of more than 1,000 rounds of ammo could be easily bypassed. If a bad guy wanted to wage a mass attack with more than 1,000 rounds, he could easily work around the proposed law by purchasing 995 rounds this week, then 995 rounds again next week. Sad, but true.
Maybe Superman said it best… we must ” fight the never-ending battle for Truth, Justice, and the American Way.” What are your thoughts and especially the solutions for this reoccurring dilemma?
Continued success!
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OK, boys. We have been warned…again. Contact your reps and remind them that regulation of cigarettes has not curtailed their use, and regulation of Sudafed has not reduced drug traffic in the U.S. In both cases that the idiot junior rep from Jersey has cited as examples, all that has been accomplished is to make those products more expensive, thus leaving consumers with less cash to spend on other things. It is again time to stock up on ammo. Whatever kinds you use, buy before the prices start to rise. The new Surgeon General has already named guns as a health risk, so expect more attacks from the corrupt and constitution-hating Obama administration.
They knew beforehand that the Damn Surgen General was anti gun even though he lied to the Senate and said he would not use his position to go against guns.
“allowed” ???? No one tells me what I can or can not have, especially if it is a God given right and guaranteed by the Constitution. Don’t like that answer? Tough chit!
Yes, profound. Any long-term Solutions to these real problems for a win-win-win result? Ignoring and avoiding them will not make them go away nor resolve them. Thank you.
Negotiating intrusions into our right to defend ourselves, enjoy shooting sports, hunt, etc. have never worked since 1968. Anti-gunners just come back for a new round of “reasonable” intrusions into our rights. I reject the notion that fewer people will die if there is limited access to guns or ammunition for the people. A criminal can only carry so many rounds and so many weapons when committing a crime — this Bill is an excuse to limit access to obsolete or popular calibers, limit gun collectors, intrude on our ability to defend ourselves, and make exercising a fundamental right more expensive and difficult. Giving in to these intrusive gun laws has not made “them go away nor resolve them. Thank you.”
Agree. So what are your solutions to accomplish our mutual goals and intent?
Stay politically active with calls, emails, etc. Join pro-2A groups, and engage non-gun folks in discussions when appropriate about the larger issues at stake. You haved asked twice what other people propose; you?
Good ideas Shinypartsup. I gave some ideas a few hours earlier in my comments to GrayWolf 69, before your comment here. What pro-2A groups do you belong to?
What Shinypartsup says above and below is a start. Educate friends and family as to what is really happening and who the real villains are in this morass of a government we call a Representative Republic.
Fight the false statistics that are bandied about be the sycophantic simpletons of the left with FACTS.
Take someone shooting with you and get them hooked on enjoying the sporting aspects of firearms. I take my son’s friends with us when we go shooting. Some have been exposed to firearms, some have not. Without fail, they all have a great time.
Buy what you can when you can. Reload. Learn about expedient firearms and ammunition. You never know when the supply will be cutoff or by whom. In short, make it your purpose to use, understand and promote anything and everything related to shooting, firearms, and 2nd amendment politics.
Answering posts like this online forum with facts, calmly and professionally helps too. You never know who you might reach with a truthful, fact based, INTELLIGENT, and positive response. Name calling and bullying just makes people dig their heels in deeper in any argument. There was an All in the Family episode years ago where Archie Bunker was recruited by the “fair and unbiased” TV station to make a case for gun rights. If you saw that, you know the game plan hasn’t changed in 40 years – find the biggest dope you can to make the argument for your opposition. Unfortunately we have too many idiots on our side just waiting for their 15 minutes of fame.
These are many of the things I do and suggest, but by no means is this an exhaustive list.
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What the Hell is a God Given right? God, if there is one, has nothing to do with any of this. It is a national policy and nothing more or less.
What is a God given right? It doesn’t matter if you believe in the God I believe in, or that god is a pinecone, or the only thing you believe in is yourself and whatever money you can make. A God given right, or natural right if you prefer, I can only suggest to you in examples.
The right to work at whatever you do to make the best life you can for yourself and your family would be one. That work might be as the CEO of a company or as a hunter/gatherer with a primitive lifestyle but it’s your “God given right” to do so. It’s your God given right to believe whatever you want to and live how you want to as long as it doesn’t bring harm to others. IT’S YOUR GOD GIVEN RIGHT TO PROTECT YOURSELF, ANYONE YOU CARE ABOUT, OR EVEN PEOPLE YOU DON’T EVEN KNOW FROM THE MANY ANIMALS (OF ANY SPECIES) THAT WOULD DO THEM HARM. IT’S EVEN YOUR GOD GIVEN RIGHT TO TELL ME I’M FULL OF SHIT AND THAT GOD IS A PINECONE OR DOESN’T EXIST AT ALL, though if you choose to do that in person in stead of the internet I’d probably punch you in the head a few times, or maybe just laugh instead.
The US Constitution supports a lot of what I just said except maybe the punch in the head part. The 2nd Amendment guarantees me the means to protect those God given rights as well as many other as outlined in the document. No thoughtful man or woman will ever give up those God given rights or our Constitutional guarantees. Politicians that would attempt to force me/us to do so are both predators and traitors.
Sorry I’m not very eloquent but that’s the best I could do answering your “What the Hell is…” question.
Yeah I don’t like the title of this article either. Like asking “Have you beaten your wife lately?”
This is really simple – if the government gets involved in any issue it gets corrupted. Pick ANY government agency and tell me the process they are in charge of is better than it could be without them. First they ban something, then make allowances, then changing limits to additional concerns of whatever drivel they piled up to make this an issue in the first place. Later comes bureaucrats who are in charge being evaluated by other bureaucrats as to their performance, and the circle goes on and on and on… Oh, and don’t forget who actually funds this additional new intrusion…. My great great great grandkids….
Why Not !
So if I buy 2 bricks of .22LR (assuming I can find any at a reasonable price), my name goes into a computer as a potential mass murderer? When did it come to a place in America that you have to prove yourself innocent or be considered a suspect? When did rights become negotiable? I do not want the government further in my life. Is it a generational thing, where older generations remember what privacy truly was?
Exactly. And buying an extra box of shells, when they’re on sale, is just smart shopping. I have no problem with on line sales, but I also don’t have an issue with ammo companies limiting how much you can order if the particular ammo is low in stock/availability. What some in the public don’t understand, is that criminals and gangs get the stuff, regardless. The overwhelming majority of folks ordering such goods on line are good people. We shouldn’t be punished because of the actions of the gangs and such.
It happened about the same time that it became common to have your bag checked by some untrained security officer at any public function, or to be recorded on video anywhere, anytime.
To have your license plates scanned in a mass surveillance effort by both public or private entities and have that information stored forever. To have your phone call activity recorded en masse and THAT information kept (granted, as of recently, for 18 months by a private company). Etc. Etc.
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I own guns and enjoy shooting them. I have a concealed carry permit and I reload ammo. I am definitely on the side of gun owners and Second Amendment rights. Nothing people do is without its share of problems including firearms. Instead of letting anti gun fanatics “solve” those problems we as gun owners should be trying to come up with real solutions. It’s in our interest to find a solution to the problems caused by bad guys who misuse guns. There are two Americans who don’t own guns for every one who does. If that group of voters can be convinced that we are a threat they have the numbers to defeat us. I understand the need to find good answers to these problems but I’m not smart enough to know what those answers are. All of us should be thinking a lot about this because it will help our cause more than anything else if we succeed. Every problem has a sensible solution. We just need some sharp gun rights supporter to come up with one instead of letting the enemies of gun rights impose a bad one.
I think you’re off on the number of own vs don’t, but that doesn’t matter.
The solution to the problem of bad guys who use guns is simple, harsh punishment up to and including the death penalty. Along with making prisons less comfortable then they are now, getting rid of cable, high dollar exercise equipment, computer privileges etc…bring back hard labor and chain gangs. Problem there is the same folk who want “gun-control” don’t want criminal control and want to coddle them because deep down they’re all just “good misunderstood souls, who need a break in life”
That has been tried in response to a wide variety of offenses by any number of governments around the world. It doesn’t work for one simple reason. The people who commit crimes don’t think they’re going to get caught so the harsh penalties don’t intimidate them. Look at China. They have death penalties for a large number of offenses and they have no shortage of people on death row. This includes offenses that bring no great reward to the offenders. I don’t have a problem with hard punishment for predatory crimes but it doesn’t solve our problem. The number of non gun owners is substantially higher than the number of gun owners and we have no shortage of lowlife politicians who wouldn’t hesitate to rile people up over whatever issue they can get political mileage out of. My point is that we as gun owners can only benefit if someone from our own ranks can offer any solutions to any of these problems.
To me this just propagates the fallacy of “Good Guy VS Bad guy. The problem is not good VS bad. It is a failure of relatives not stopping sick people from going out and killing innocents. I have far more weapons than the average person but am not a risk to go out and mass slaughter any groups. I know for certain that none of my relatives would either. If I didn’t know that about them I would take actions. If everyone could say that we wouldn’t have many problems . But if anyone can not say that and does nothing they are as guilty as the offender.
A law abiding citizen should be able to purchase as much ammunition, as often and he or she would like, as long as they have the ability to pay for it.
Limiting the amount is a violation of ones liberty to conduct lawful commerce and is a violation of personal freedom.
Limiting amounts will not stop anyone with a mental defect from shooting up a “gun free” zone.
Our safety cannot be legislated into being. Legislation of this kind only strips away liberty.
Illinois tried that in the ’70s. It proved to be too time consuming, overly expensive for the state, over burdening on the dealers, and didn’t stop any crime. Any law to regulate guns or ammo is an unlawful law against the constitution,
so who is the law breaker there?
Just another way for OBAMA & his muslim ass kissers to diss arm AMERARICAN
Is there no one left in congress to follow the constitution? When was the last time a Republican tea party representative or senator stood up and went toe to toe with these Demo crap morons? There is a legal binding way IF they don’t want to adhere to the second amendment. They can go thru the process of amending the constitution. It ain’t that hard to figure out. Otherwise “they” are just blowing smoke in mirrors. Did someone up there in D.C. forget that all laws pertaining to any type of gun control are unconstitutional? That’s why we have elections folks. Yes. guns are a health hazard to someone trying to break into our homes unannounced. I think the condition is called lead poisoning. I think the criminal element knows this and that’s why the Democratic Representatives and Senators who support those criminals are trying so hard to take our guns from us.
It is not about “allowed” or not. it is about obey the Constitution and do not interfere. “Allowed” means you have to ask the government for permission to buy ammunition. The government has no right to interfere with the transaction.
The large majority on this site seem to agree about the Constitution’s validity and top priority and limiting government’s intrusion, but how do we genuinely FIX the related problems over the long run? Seems we have to each take responsibility for positive actions and strengthening core values in our families, in our own networks of friends and interrelationships with lawmakers and others, as a start. Praying for guidance will help! Success to all of us.
How do we fix the problem? First we have to identify it. The fundamental problem is that we’ve paid poor, stupid people to breed en mass, and now we are overrun.
Semper Fi! Thank you for your service! The last time I bought ammo online, I was required to do just that, At Walmart they don’t ask for I.D in Arkansas and I can buy as much as they have in stock. So that dog don’t hunt. I think we all know that the socialist in charge wants to ban all firearms and ammo and disarm the public. The people proposing this don’t know the law as it exists apparently! Great article!
Problem is with Walmart is they are in with the Government. They just call it in after you leave. Why do you think they closed those 5 Walmart stores. For JADE HELM 15. You may not want to believe it but their is 30 foot Diameter tunnels under every Walmart dug by the government,. Those tunnels go wherever the Jade Helm 15 map is outlined. Even goes into Canada to a FEMA camp there and also into Mexico.
I think it’s time for you to change your tin-foil….
I would love to see this Bonnie chick carry 1000 rounds of 223, 5.56 or larger caliber bullets into any place unnoticed. I would be surprised if she could carry it 50 yards.
So, if this passes, how long til cases of ammo contain 999 rounds? Stupid waste of everyones time and our money.
Yes!
Look at Chicago. The egregious firearms control laws there are worth less than nothing to the gang members that get their guns regardless. They are willing to steal them or buy them at any cost from those that do.
To possess or purchase firearms or ammunition, Illinois residents must have a Firearm Owner’s Identification (FOID) card, which is issued by the Illinois State Police.
This is obviously not having the effect they thought it would!
Look at Prohibition. The Volstead act worked exactly opposite the intentions of the social engineering politicians of that day. The 18th amendment served as the impetus for the largest growth in organized crime in the history of the USA.
When will we (The People) ever learn from History?
Pretty sure there was more than 200 rounds fired at both of the mass killings @ Waco as well as the ones @ Ruby Ridge and Wounded Knee.
So if I “structure” my purchases to keep under the limit, does that trigger a visit from the ATF?
Arguing the point of “bad guys” don’t obey the law to a ProgreSSive DemocRat is a waste of time and breath. The Progs know that about the “bad guys”, they just don’t care. They don’t really want Gun Control, they don’t want you controlling your guns. The Government can have all the guns and ammo necessary to squash your Liberty.
Those of us who shoot regularly know that it’s less expensive and more practical to buy in bulk and to have ammo on hand for the range. Most of the ammo I have on hand is ball ammo for the range. A very small percentage is HP for defense. These Libs who have no experience with guns, and indeed hate them, are just clueless. Period.
Ball ammo can be used to kill people just as hp ammo can so the type is irrelevant.
The fact of the matter is that it’s no more the governments business if I “stockpile” ammo then it is if I choose to “stockpile” water, canned goods, dehydrated food or anything else..
I agree completely.
And trust me, if they know you are stockpiling anything from ammo to food, you will be considered a right wing nut case and put on a list.
These people are so out of touch it’s sickening. How do they gauge whether one is “stockpiling” or shooting it all every weekend? The majority of the Dems probably haven’t ever shot or seen a gun in their sheltered lives. Don’t they realize this kind of talk just encourages law abiding citizens to use their right to exercise the second amendment? Why is it bad to stockpile anyway? Haven’t everyone always done that any way? No one buys one round at a time silly senators and congress people….
Break them, Disarm them, OWN them.
Stupid question. In a free country you should be able to do whatever you darn well please as long as you don’t infringe the rights of others.
The entire concept of ‘stockpiling’ ammunition being ‘allowed’ is inoperative. “Shall not be infringed” is clear enough for an average fifth grader to comprehend. One can only conclude that the current occupant of the Oval Office, all 535 of our elected misrepresentatives in both houses, and the nine black-robed political appointees; hundreds of elected state and municipal officers, the former mayor of New York and all of his bought-and-paid-for gun-grabbing minions combined are not as smart as a fifth grader.
They think that kind of thing will stop real gun enthusiasts from obtaining ammunition. Like if they would pass a law here in California to register ammo buyers I would just go to Arizona every couple of months and buy my stuff there. It would be like trying to stop the ocean from hitting the shore.
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free
State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.
Do these IDIOTS in DC not understand English? This is why English NEEDS to become the “Official” language of the USA. Clearly the 2nd Amendment clarifies that a citizen’s RIGHT to bear arms SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED! Therefore ANY bill, for ANY reason to limit, restrict or control a citizen’s RIGHT is unconstitutional & thereby illegal. OY VEY!
2nd Amendment
OY VEY!
This is a violation of my 2nd Amendment Rights yes i did say Rights as in the Bill OF Rights and lets not forget if they take away our 2nd Amendment Rights they will take the Rest of them Starting with the First Amendment freedom of speech, I remember when we as kids were able to bring guns to school for our shooting club but that wont happen today the Liberals are afraid you will shoot them
FORGET PRIVACY. IF YOU THINK YOU HAVE IT …..YOU DON’T, AND I DON’T CARE WHAT DATABASE THEY PUT MY NAME IN I’M A LAW ABIDING CITIZEN AND I HAVE NO INTENTIONS OF STOCK PILING AMMO FOR UNLAWFUL PURPOSES NOR DOES ANY OTHER LAW ABIDING CITIZEN, BUT CRIMINALS DO, AND THEY WILL GET AMMO NO MATTER WHAT THE LAW SAYS, SO I SAY DON’T MAKE LAW ABIDING PEOPLE PAY FOR CRIMINALS BEHAVIOR
WHY do we have to tell the government we are carrying a gun? Have to do that to get a CCW.
Shiny, nobody wants to curtail business, but people were spreading stories that the Department of Homeland Security was buying up all the ammo in America, which is patently ridiculous. The reason we cannot find any .22lr ammo is our fellow customers. I am talking about the guys who go to Walmart and buy up every round of .22 they can find, and then do one of two things. 1. They will hoard the ammo, and never fire it, letting it eventually go bad, or 2. They take it home, repackage it and sell it for four or five times what they paid for it. Walmart and Cabela’s Outfitters are just two stores who have been forced to limit the amount of ammo, especially .22lr that someone can purchase in a 24-hour period. This is apparently the only fair way to allow more people to get ammo to fuel their guns. I have a Ruger 10-22 that i have not been able to take out for over a year because I can never find any ammo. I just recently lucked out and was able to obtain one 325-round box of .22lr at Cabela’s, while purchasing .40 S&W ammo for my defensive weapons. Strange to me that Walmart has tons of .224, 7X62 and other ammunition, but can’t get .22lr on the shelves when the ammo maker state they are making more .22lr ammo than ever before, including running three shifts, trying to get the ammo to the customers.