UPDATE 3/14/2012:
National Right to Carry Reciprocity Act of 2012” introduced in U.S. Senate
The House passed national concealed carry reciprocity legislation on Wednesday evening by a vote of 272-154.
The bill, H.R. 822, is intended to allow persons who hold a concealed carry permit from one state to also carry anywhere in the country, with the exception of Illinois and Washington, D.C.
Though the bill passed by a wide margin, it was not without controversy on the pro-gun side of the debate. In previous alerts, GOA has pointed out several flaws in the legislation:
- It forces Vermont residents (who do not need a permit to carry) to either obtain an out-of-state permit or to push their state to pass a more restrictive concealed carry law than it now enjoys;
- By requiring permits for reciprocity, the bill undermines efforts at the state level to pass constitutional carry (i.e., Vermont-style carry);
- In restrictive “may issue” states, the bill allows for non-residents to carry firearms in the state while most residents would still be prohibited, and;
- The bill is yet another example of Congress distorting of the Constitution’s Commerce Clause.
Representative Justin Amash (R-MI), who voted against the bill, addressed this last point in a statement, calling H.R. 822 “an unconstitutional bill that improperly applies the Commerce Clause to concealed carry licensing.”
Another freshman Representative, Rob Woodall (R-GA), noted that the right to carry a concealed firearm is already protected by the Second Amendment.
“If the Second Amendment protects my rights to carry my concealed weapon from state to state to state, I don’t need another federal law,” Rep. Woodall said. He went on to remind his colleagues of the original intent of the right to keep and bear arms.
“I don’t believe the Second Amendment was put in the Bill of Rights to allow me to shoot targets [or] hunt for deer and turkey. I think the Second Amendment was put in the Bill of Rights so that I could defend my freedom against an overbearing federal government.”
Anti-gun Amendment Passes
One extremely troubling amendment to the bill was slipped in on a voice vote. Sponsored by Republican David Reichert (“C” rated by GOA), the amendment instructs the Government Accounting Office to:
“Conduct a study of the ability of State and local law enforcement authorities to verify the validity of licenses or permits, issued by other States, to carry a concealed firearm.”
Nowhere in the Constitution is there even a hint of authority for the federal government to “study” the exercising of a right. Even worse, you can be sure that anti-gunners will use any excuse, including this study, to push for some type of national carry license.
The bill now heads to the Senate, where GOA is already working with key Senators to address ALL of the problems with the bill. GOA is also working with Rep. Paul Broun (R-GA) on legislation, H.R. 2900, that takes a constitutional approach to concealed carry recognition.
You can click here to send your own Representative a message urging him or her to become a cosponsor of H.R. 2900.
Vermont residents will not have to get a permit to legally carry within their own state under this bill. The bill’s impact is limited to carrying outside of residence, per the clause stating that it applies “in any State, other than the State of resident of the person.” To carry outside their own state, they will need a non-resident permit, but that’s true both before and after H.R. 822 becomes law.
States can still pass Constitutional-carry in a post-H.R.-822 United States. This law does nothing to change such efforts apart from making it seem somewhat redundant. However, there’s a huge difference between, requiring a permit for concealed carry and not requiring one. Framed that way, it’s not redundant.
The bill is not a distortion of the Commerce Clause so much as it is an application of the powers granted to Congress in the Full Faith and Credit clause.I will grant that GOA is entirely right on the problem May-Issue states will face. Since the states will be required to recognize the permits of other states, one of two things will occur: Either the state will loosen restrictions (likely, functionally as in Alabama) or undo their programs and move to deny the right. With the exception of Alabama and Delaware (both recognize permits issued in other states), I see most May-Issue states cancelling their programs, effectively opting out of H.R. 822.
GOA pretends that if they just keep shouting “no compromise!” long enough, NYC, DC, Illinois and California will allow see the light and pass Constitutional carry.
And until then, they’re more than happy to keep holding out their hands for money, even if the reality is that 99% of perfect beats the current state of affairs.
Would you eat fudge that was 99% fudge and 1% shit?
Although, this is another positive step forward, this bill is tremendously flawed. This bill only helps a very small minority of gun owners while doing nothing for the vast majority of Americans. Approx. 85% of Americans live in liberal “May Issue” states such as; NY, NJ, CA, MA and MD where “Technically” these states do issue home residence carry permits but in reality, they only approve a very tiny percentage of applications and these states functionally are “non issue” states. And of course this law excludes DC and Illinois, another huge number of Americans this law does not help. The residents of these “May Issue” states and DC and IL (which contain 85% of the entire USA population) can ONLY get non-resident permits from a handful of non residence states who issue “Non-resident” permits and this bill does NOT include non-resident permits. So for 85% of all Americans, this bill will not change anything and if you are a gun owner in one of these liberal “May Issue” states or DC or IL, YOU STILL CANNOT CARRY CONCEALED IN YOUR OWN HOME STATE much less other states. This bill should have included non-resident permits so those stuck in these liberal “May Issue” states (usually for employment reasons) could at least obtain a non-resident permit, say…….from Florida and be able to carry in their home state and the rest of the states. There a quite a few “Shall Issue” states, but these states only hold 15% of the entire USA population. How about writing a law which benefits most Americans or all Americans next time?, not just 15% of Americans? FAIL.
Jim, i beg to differ with you on one point i your comment.
In Illinois,you CAN obtain NON RESIDENT PERMITS from AZ,VA,PA and NH( I hold all of these) Under these permits I can carry in many states. Currrently,I cannot carry in Florida,Colorado ect because I am NOT A RESIDENT of AZ,PA.VA or NH.
In Michigan I cannot carry concealed but i CAN carry openly and there are other states that the “open only” rule applies. IT is CRITICAL that CCW holders CALL the LE agencies in the places they intend to carry in to be absolute about the laws.
There is an amendment in the works that will allow for Illinois and DC.
As for DC,my position is this:
Carry Concealed in: home land,business,public areas ect
DO NOT CARRY IN : Govt buildings,courthouses police stations bars or any place that posts a “no gun” sign. This will similarly apply to Illinois.
Since you CANNOT have a FEDERAL LAW that applys to some states and not all states.
That is called the overwhelming majority rule.
I read the proposition and couldnt seem to find where you state Non Resident permits do not apply to this act. Currently, with a non resident permit,and being a resident of Illinois,I enjoy legal concealed carry in 40+ states.
Further, Under ILCS 720 5/24(4) Illinois law, you CAN concealed carry ” on your land,abode,or business or the land abode or business of another with their consent”and according to info that I have, Brandon Phelps,the sponsor of the Illinois CCW law has more than enough sponsors to PASS CCW even if the liberal scumbag Quinn vetos it.
Do YOU hold CCW permits? If so where? and what state do you reside?
I reside in Illinois and in Chicago. Im Armed. I carry. (on my land and in my business)
I also STRONGLY URGE ALL ILLINOIS GUN OWNERS TO INUNDATE THEIR ELECTED OFFICIALS WITH A DEMAND FOR CCW.
This is a good step forward.But Ill reserve my glee until after the Senate votes.
I live in iowa and work right across the mississippi river in Illinois
Jim, I can’t believe you call NY a liberal Shall issue state. I lived there, belonged to a shooting club and could not get a permit. It’s like pulling teeth and you have to know someone and have plenty of money or it just isn’t going to happen. I had close friends who ere leo and retired leo and they couldn’t help. I don’t know how that is liberal.
Uh, Jim:
The “May Issue” states of AL, CA, CT, DE, HI, MA, MD, NJ, NY (including NYC) and RI comprised a 2010 total census of 97,584,901.
That is only 31.60690245 PERCENT of the total 308,745,538 United States population.
Residents of those states can opt for either Regime Change or Emigration. Choices have consequences.
So yes, about 2/3 of American gun owners would be helped if nationwide reciprocity becomes law.
Grade: B+, imperfect but improving.
glad to see our congress doing whats wright for a change
I have a fla ccw licence & i reside & work in N.Y.C & own a home in fla & which i reside for the summer & holiday’s (duel resident) Whith this bill can i keep my firearm at my apt in N.Y.C ??? Please someone informe me…
New York State permits are not valid in NYC, this law will most likely not change that. Only be valid in the state.
thanks for that info..
again thanks for that info stephan but i’m still confused if this bill becomes law can i at least carry in n.y.c.??
NO….YOU MAY NOT CARRY……YOU NEED A NY CCW TO CARRY IN THE STATE NOT IN THE CITY.
OKAY SO I CANNOT CARRY MY FLA CCW IN N.Y.C EVEN IF THIS BILL BECOMES LAW REGARDLESS IF IM A DUAL RESIDENT…. SO YOUR SAYING THAT N.Y.C WILL NOT RECONIZES ANY NON RESIDENT CCW??? AGAIN THANKS FOR THE INFO,, BY THE WAY THAT SUCKS THE NRA STATES THAT ONLY ILLOINIS & D.C WILL NOT RECOGNIZE OUT OF STATE CCW (N.Y.C WAS NOT INCLUDE) I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION WHEN THIS BILL BECAME LAW NYC WILL RECOGNIZE IT AS WELL NY STATE…
I haven’t seen any mention of Hawaii. That state is just as bad as Illinois. Wow! Here’s a thought, can anyone name a politician with ties to both states?
I have a Conceal carry permit for my home state of NC. Can I now carry my firearm in New York a Shall issue state. Help please!!
NO….NY IS A MAY ISSUE AND IT DOES NOT PERMIT YOU TO CARRY…UNLESS YOU ARE A RES-OF THE STATE
Thanks
I was a resident of NY for most of my life, belonged to SASS and still could not get a permit there. I can’t wait for the day to be able to carry there.
This sounds good, but really confusing…I live in Connecticut and have a permit in Connecticut, as well as, a Utah permit…Can i now carry in NY state and NYC too?
I’d love to have the answer for the same question. It looks like no one knows at this point. If you find out please post on here.
It’s only passed the house, it still need to go to the senate to become law. When and IF it’s passed the house your CT permit will be all you need.
Stephen, I’d like to thank you for reminding us that this bill still has to go to the senate and then the President. I am prety sure it will pass the senate and I think the way the President is throwing around alot of his BS that he backs Our 2nd Amendment and behind closed doors is doing everything to end gun ownership.
i feel the same way snowman i have a permitt and hunt next they going to tell us we can’t hunt r we have to do more to keep r guns
Personally, I don’t buy into this argument against the bill. Gun controllers will work towards us not being able to hunt and having to do more to keep our guns (if we get to keep them at all) regardless of whether this bill exists or not. Should we really let this constant threat of our rights being taken away prevent us from siding with this particular bill? I say no.
And if the argument has to do with the language of the bill itself, read the thing. It comes to 2 pages (5 in Congressional format). There are no new government authorities, bureaucracies, or even powers created in this: It simply says that states will recognize each other’s permits.
You are asking the million dollar question I’ve been trying to get an answer to for years and still can’t! I’m a retired state peace officer from California with a pictured ID card from my retired agency authorizing me to carry as a retired peace officer. This is even better than a CCW but N.Y.C. will NOT recognize it.
If this new law passes, I “should” be able to carry in New York City, but I’ve been getting all kinds of conflicting information that N.Y.C. will CONTINUE to be able to restrict concealed carry that they don’t personally grant themselves. I hope Stephen J Natale, who responded to you is correct, but like I said . . . I’m getting a lot of responses from elsewhere that says N.Y.C. will continue what they’re doing. I guess we’ll all have to wait and see how all this plays out.
I fully agree that the 2nd Amendment gives every honest law abiding citizen the absolute right to carry and nothing else should be needed. However, too many jurisdictions just like N.Y.C. seem to think they’re above the Constitution. So we’ve got to come up with a legislation that clarifies this once and for all. I sure hope this one is it!
Why is this not already covered by the Constitution’s Full Faith and Credit Clause?
As I understand it, FF&C is not an automatically-applicable clause. The second half of FF&C gives Congress the power to “prescribe the manner in which such acts, records, and proceedings shall be proved, and the effect thereof.” In other words, until Congress makes a decision on that front, a state (such as Maryland) does not have to recognize a single other permit if the government of that state so decides.
sounds like there are pros and cons if this bill goes into law, not sure if im for or againts it yet? help!
Just one question I would like to ask. With this ATT bill in the UN will all arms be removed from the Swiss people? Every home in Switzerland has to have a fire arm. The government provides the ranges and the ammo for people to maintain there competency. When you leave the armed forces in Switzerland you take your weapons home with you and they are yours for life. They consider the whole of the population to protect their country. Is the UN treaty planning on taking those rights away? Sorry if I went off the subject somewhat but I feel we should take a lesson from the Swiss. They know what happened in Germany and Europe. The first thing Hitler did was take away the guns from the masses so they could not protect themselves from the government which got way too big and powerful. Our forefathers wanted us all to bare arms not only to protect ourselves in our day to day lives but also from a government that instead of being for the people wants the people under it’s thumb.
You got it perfect Snowmanspanky! I’ve studied a lot of Thomas Jefferson and he was very much fearful of the government he was setting in motion long ago and rightfully so. “When the people fear the government, that’s called tyranny. When the government fears the people, that’s called liberty!” Jefferson was right.
Our cheap politicians not only don’t want us to have firearms to protect ourselves from criminals or terrorists . . . what they REALLY fear is an armed citizenry that might turn on them should they continue to sell us out as they’re doing.
You are correct in that this is exactly what Hitler did. He disarmed the citizenry so they couldn’t oppose him even if they wanted to do so. Our government has been trying to do the same thing. Except there’s just one problem. You see we ALL already have an ironclad CWP. The issue date was 12/15/1791 . . . and there is NO expiration date. It was issued to every single one of us by the U.S. Constitution’s 2nd Amendment. We need to continue to demand ITS recognition and not focus on obtaining something lesser.
You mentioned Thomas Jefferson, Snowmanspanky
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Wow, this was 1 smart man!
In GOD We Trust
Thomas Jefferson
This is amazing.
There are two parts.
Be sure to read the 2nd part (in RED).
Thomas Jefferson was a very remarkable man who started learning very early in life and never stopped.
At 5, began studying under his cousin’s tutor.
At 9, studied Latin, Greek and French.
At 14, studied classical literature and additional languages.
At 16, entered the College of William and Mary.
At 19, studied Law for 5 years starting under George Wythe.
At 23, started his own law practice.
At 25, was elected to the Virginia House of Burgesses.
At 31, wrote the widely circulated “Summary View of the Rights of British America” and retired from his law practice.
At 32, was a Delegate to the Second Continental Congress.
At 33, wrote the Declaration of Independence.
At 33, took three years to revise Virginia’s legal code and wrote a Public Education bill and a statute for Religious Freedom.
At 36, was elected the second Governor of Virginia succeeding Patrick Henry.
At 40, served in Congress for two years.
At 41, was the American minister to France and negotiated commercial treaties with European nations along with Ben Franklin and John Adams.
At 46, served as the first Secretary of State under George Washington.
At 53, served as Vice President and was elected president of the American Philosophical Society.
At 55, drafted the Kentucky Resolutions and became the active head of Republican Party.
At 57, was elected the third president of the United States .
At 60, obtained the Louisiana Purchase doubling the nation’s size.
At 61, was elected to a second term as President.
At 65, retired to Monticello .
At 80, helped President Monroe shape the Monroe Doctrine.
At 81, almost single-handedly created the University of Virginia and served as its first president.
At 83, died on the 50th anniversary of the Signing of the Declaration of Independence along with John Adams
Thomas Jefferson knew because he himself studied the previous failed attempts at government. He understood actual history, the nature of God, his laws and the nature of man. That happens to be way more than what most understand today. Jefferson really knew his stuff. A voice from the past to lead us in the future:
John F. Kennedy held a dinner in the white House for a group of the brightest minds in the nation at that time. He made this statement: “This is perhaps the assembly of the most intelligence ever to gather at one time in the White House with the exception of when Thomas Jefferson dined alone.”
“When we get piled upon one another in large cities, as in Europe, we shall become as corrupt as Europe .” — Thomas Jefferson
” The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.”
— Thomas Jefferson
“It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. A principle which if acted on would save one-half the wars of the world.”
— Thomas Jefferson
“I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.” — Thomas Jefferson
“My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government.” — Thomas Jefferson
“No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms.” — Thomas Jefferson
” The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.” — Thomas Jefferson
” The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.” — Thomas Jefferson
“To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.”
— Thomas Jefferson
Thomas Jefferson said in 1802:
“I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies.
If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive the people of all property – until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.”
I wish we could get this out to everyone!!!
I’m doing my part.
Please do yours.
This didn’t go through before but you mention Thomas Jefferson, He said” When we get piled uponone another in large cities, as in Europe, we shall become as corrupt in Europe.” ” I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the goverment from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.” ” My reading of history convinces me that most bad goverment results from too much goverment.” The Strongest Reason For People to retain the Right to Bear Arms is, as a Last Resort to Protect Themselves from the Tyranny in Goverment.” “The tree of Liberty must be refreashed from time to time with the blood of Patriots and tyrants.” Mr. Jefferson to me was the Father of the 2nd Amendment and he knew we must retain our right to bear arms not only for the perp climbing in the window but the goverment walking in our front door.
all this bill is doing is trying to make states pass what the goverment wants.. i think it should b up to each state if they want to recogonize.. a carrying permit from another state… not the fedreal goverment
Does the rest of the Bill of Rights end at the state line too?
No, they end with a man named Obama.
Powers not directly granted the Feds belongs to the States and their citizens. Although the commerce clause would certainly apply to the transport of a firearm for reasons of commerce, it does not (and should not) apply to the transportation of personal property across state lines for personal use.
Remember; if mother’s milk came in any other container, it could not cross state lines.
But it doesn’t, so it can.
what does this mean exactly?? I live in Connecticut, can I now carry in NY
It would first have to pass the Senate in its current form and be signed by the President. Ninety days after the president’s signature, yes, you would be able to carry in NY so long as you have a valid permit from any state and so long as you’re not violating local laws. (NYC would remain off-limits, if I understand how HR822 operates within “gun-free” localities.)
… That’s the simple way to put it, at least.
It seems to me that passing H.R. 822 will ultimately result
in a FEDERAL HANDGUN REGISTRY. The FHR will be a single consolidated database of handgun owners with
our name, address and telephone number.
After H.R. 822 is passed and the database is filled with the names of all law abiding handgun owners, the Fed need only pass
a new law making handgun ownership a crime.
With the new Federal Handgun Registry, finding and confiscating all “legal”
handguns should take only about a month or so.
Mark, Why do you say that? Do you have any concrete facts to back that up? The NRA has fought that and I thought they won. None of that was added to H.R. 822.. Not that they didn’t try, but fact is they did not win. So could you please point out where I can find that. Thank You
Doesn’t need to be included in HR 822 … it’s in the Patriot Act.
I have to agree with Snowmanspanky on this and reiterate the point of another post I made: Gun controllers don’t need HR822 to create a Federal Handgun Registry, a Federal Firearm Registry, or any other gun control legislation. While they might say that this legislation makes such a system necessary, they have used used and could still use other situations to justify their ideas.
Granted, with this going now to the Senate, I’m not convinced that fence-sitters like McCain and Graham would not be willing to concede amendments like a FHR/FFR as a way to get 13 Democrats on their side. Then again, any amendments to HR822 have to pass the House, a legislative body seemingly unwilling to make such concessions.
Does anyone know when H.R. 822 will be going to the Senate for a vote? I thought they wanted to get it done before the holidays? Anyone please.
It’s expected to be voted on before the end of the year…. I think it has a great chance at passing.
Sorry folks but I am TOTALLY against giving the federal government power or control to regulate anything. So far the states have been working on this issue. It may be a bit slow for some but progress has been made. Keep uncle sam OUT of it!
I agree – we don’t need no stinkin federal government imposing rules and regulations as to what we can carry across state lines, how much ammo we can carry, what guns we can carry and what needs to be done with them when we do carry them across state lines.
Let the states decide. Besides, how many of you cross state lines? I mean going from GA to Montana, Idaho, New Jersey or New York on a regular basis.
You can already do that without federal laws.
SteveKJR
And this is why GOA remains a meaningless fringe group in the fight for gun rights.
“We want it pure! Until we get it, we’re going to hold our breath!”
Back in the world of grown-ups, we’ll take our chances with 99% of perfect.
This bill, as noble an attempt as it may be, is a joke. There will STILL be a great many jurisdictions that will be able to go right on prohibiting an honest law abiding citizen (even with a CCW) from carrying a concealed firearm. We’ve seen measures like this one before. Until an ironclad piece of legislation comes along, or perhaps even another Constitutional Amendment, that eliminates all the loopholes and wiggle room . . . the bans will continue to go on.
I know there are some who are going to say it’s better than nothing or it gets us a little closer. While all that may be true, a lot of us are getting sick and tired of the snails pace with this issue. Honest decent citizens are being killed on a daily basis by the animals on the lose in this country. The ability to protect ourselves and our loved ones is needed NOW! Enough is enough.
We are all looking at HR 822. Did anyone see the law that was passed on the down low. NO ONE is talking about it. Google Title X , Subtitle D, sec 1031 (b). It is the 2012 National Defense Bill. Go to it. It state that the army can arrest anyone even a AMERICAN CITIZEN without cause and hold them for as long as they want to. That is why they are building internment camps throughout the country right now. Please go to it. One of the only ones that did not sign it as Ron Paul.
People, We all have our eye on HR 822. In the background a bill was passed.PLEASE look it up for yourself. It is Title X, Subtitle D, sec 1031 (b). Please Google it for yourself. It is Titled The 2012 National Defence Act. It states,ThisBill allows the US Goverment ( Military) to detain anyone they wiush including US Citizens within U.S. Borders, and hold them indefinitely.
i currently hold my own states CCW permit the class A in MA & an out of state utah. if this bill passes will i be able to carry in R.I & Conn ???
IF it passes, you will only be able to carry in states that issue permits to their own citizens. While that loosens things up some, it doesn’t open the gate as wide as it ought to be. As additional states move toward relaxed CCL rules … moving from may issue to shall issue to Constitutional Carry, there is less and less need for this nonsense. My own state accepts a CCH/CCL from every state except Vermont … which doesn’t issue a CCH/CCL to anyone.
Hey Jose . . . I think the problem is none of us really know what the final version of this Bill is going to look like. Hopefully, assuming the Senate passes it, things will loosen up some more. However, as I and others have said, don’t hold your breath on a full coast-to-coast opening up in every jurisdiction. This is why I believe federal laws like this are the wrong approach. They can manipulate the issue any way they want.
I prefer to stick with and insist upon the ABSOLUTE rights already given to us in the Constitution! Hopefully, we’ll all soon know the answer to your question. Stay tuned.
Hey Jose . . . I think the problem is none of us really know what the
final version of this Bill is going to look like. Hopefully, assuming
the Senate passes it, things will loosen up some more. However, as I
and others have said, don’t hold your breath on a full coast-to-coast
opening up in every jurisdiction. This is why I believe federal laws
like this are the wrong approach. They can manipulate the issue any
way they want.
I prefer to stick with and insist upon the
ABSOLUTE rights already given to us in the Constitution! Hopefully,
we’ll all soon know the answer to your question. Stay tuned.
Why is Illinois so dead set against carry laws? I travle across Illinois on a regular basis and it’s a PITA to have to stop, unload, and case each trip.
That could possibly put the means of protection in the hands of Honest Law abiding folks. The Chicago Mayor for one wouldn’t like that.
I agree that while HR 822 may not be perfect – it’s a means to an end. Unfortunately, I live in Maryland – need I say more? I have a Virginia non-resident permit and regularly travel in Virginia, West Virginia, Tennessee, & sometimes Kentucky, Georgia, & Florida. It’s a huge pain to have to deal with individual states laws on the ability to carry.
I’m still married when I cross state lines and my drivers license allows me to haul hazardous materials and explosives all the way across the country (in every single state) and yet I can’t carry a gun? I find it very strange and I’m hoping for continual passage of the bill.
Rick
We don’t need any more regulations for owning/carrying a firearm. You can get a permit from Arizona and it will meet all the requirements for mose of the states you mention.
It’s not a good idea because once they have the power to regulate, they can regulate however they want and can add admmendments and change the bill accordingly.
Just like they did with the Income tax.
The bill has to be passed in the same form in both the Senate and the House and then be signed by Uncle Barry in order to become law. If the Senate now changes it, it would have to go back to the House.
Which is a good idea … the GAO amendment was put there as a poison pill. Pull that out and I could tolerate the bill.
i got a better one for you comment people i live in new jersey and if you already know its a may shall state why the F**k is a non resident allowed to carry his gun and i live here and am not F**K nj f chris christie there all a bunch of fags and they can go screw each others money piles
did they forget about jersey the most needed ccw state no wonder why jersey is so bad it starts with morons running the state im so mad right now that the little tiny small micro chance we had to get ccws is now just shot to hell and to make it even better they just keep laying off 5-0 officers every other month they are dumb retarded idiots and should all be fired and burned in hell for being so shitty to their states people im done if you feel the need to comment on my stuff go for it
im going to start protesting occupy nj for ccw’s lets just start pushing nj officials buttons to the point of breakdown what else do we got to lose? nothing i need about 1 million gun owners to protest with me we can do it
whats the point in the PERMIT officer doing a traffic ?,how does this help me or the police until after the fact. and again whats the point . ? I do not have a permit , when you are cleared to buy a pistol through nics that should be good enough , and how does identity theft figure in .?????
This sounds sooo good EXCEPT for the reality that betrays it… That is to say our inalienable 2nd Amendment rights!!! But, with, it is reported, somewhere in the neighborhood of 20,000+ gun laws the Bill of Rights no longer mean a damn thing!!!
Why don’t we just carry concealed without a license? If we are half intelligent, the only way to get caught would be if we had to save our lives or the lives of others?
I like the bill, and it’s about time. I most like there is no silly annual qualification standard to be met like there is for LEOSA.
here in Ca. they try to be so ahead they are far behind they look foolish denying us a ccw permit who are law abiding who just want to protect ourselves i am in San Diego it is so frustrating with this political cartel in charge. when do real people get a fair sshake
Some of what makes country great is that people with similar/ yet different views can come together!
As a very strong 2nd Amendment supporter (who lives in California), this bill appears to be the perfect solution (if passed) to make ‘concealed carry’ laws nationwide. Can this bill pass in the new Senate coming this Jan of 2015? I think that national ‘concealed carry’ law serves the greater good (if you support the 2nd Amendment) of the country. Yes, reciprocity would be nationwide! In this way, California becomes shall issue putting the 9th Circuits ‘chess game’ in check mate.
“‘If the Second Amendment protects my rights to carry my concealed weapon from state to state to state, I don’t need another federal law,’ Rep. Woodall said. He went on to remind his colleagues of the original intent of the right to keep and bear arms.”
Good luck with that. I’m not aware of a SCOTUS case that has affirmed this. I would get little comfort know the Second Amendment was protecting me as I sat in a state prison in New Jersey, Maryland, New York or even. On the other hand, a federal law that affirms the Second Amendment by preempting state-claimed authority to jail out-of-state carriers would force the courts to rule accordingly.
I looked up H.R. 822. It’s a bill to provide for payment through Medicare for air ambulance services.
When guns are outlawed…only outlaws will have guns… Where can I get the tshirt? I had a foreign exchange student in the 80’s,SHE was fro, Croatia, any pistols were outlawed since she ever knew, she couldn’t remember ever seeing a pistol but on TV! and her fathers rifles had to be checked of the police gun vaults, and when he came back from hunting he had to take it back to the police station along with ammo he had taken when he left! but she said their houses were up on blocks off the ground, and there was a closet r8ight over a piling under the house, he cut out the floor, put tar and plastic on the inside of the piling and stored 3 mosers and a Russian SKS and that was during the Serbian/Croation War. so WHEN GUNS OR ANYKIBND ARE OUTLAWED…PEOPLE will have guns!!!