A Magic Bullet: The New “Radically Invasive Projectile” 9mm Cartridge? [POLL]

A Magic Bullet: The New "Radically Invasive Projectile" 9mm Cartridge?

A Magic Bullet: The New “Radically Invasive Projectile” 9mm Cartridge?

What’s the latest, greatest, super ammo on the market? Is it really something new and technically advanced in bullet and ammo design? Has there been sufficient and extensive ballistic testing with independent labs? Do we really even need it? Is it just a gimmick? Will it increase Failures to Feed and over-penetrate? Will it be expensive? Will the government buy it, ban it, or stockpile it? Will bad guys/gals use it on innocent folks? What about its availability to sportsmen and shooters? Will our military use it, given the Hague Convention and prohibitions on the use of expanding bullets in international warfare? Will you use it and do you want to shoot someone with ammo called R.I.P. (Radically Invasive Projectile) whose goal is to maximize dissipation of energy? Is there a legal risk in court for using overly-hazardous ammo? A lot of questions and concerns. Upon impact this ammo’s nine-millimeter 8 trocar points of its bullet begin to work like a powerful saw to shred the target, according to the manufacturer G2 Research (G2R) in Winder, GA. The trocars are very sharp and expand in many directions upon impact. It is like the trocar sharp-pointed medical instrument used in surgery to quickly and easily puncture a body cavity, maximizing kinetic energy. The bullet points are manufactured with trocar edges with three angles reaching one point, so they can “penetrate the dermis layer more efficiently,” according to G2R.

8 Trocar Sharp Points

8 Trocar Sharp Points

Because of the devastation in nine different directions, the potential for increase of damage to vital organs, and the vast incapacitation possibility, the company is promoting it as the R.I.P. bullet “the last round you’ll ever need.” The bullet is designed to enter soft targets like a closed hand and explode upon entry into eight razor-sharp fingers, each carving their own wound channels in different directions as the core of the bullet continues to follow its original trajectory. “Our bullets are the most advanced, intelligently-designed bullets ever made,” G2R says on their website. They say we wanted to create a round that would work well against a home intruder without having to shoot them six times. “We wanted to create an effective one-shot manstopper.” Their president also said “The R.I.P. will not defeat level 3A body armor; that was one of our main goals when designing this bullet.” Their website says that G2R has tested the new round with numerous fully automatic and semi automatic firearms, as well as rifles. They claim to have zero failures when testing most well known firearms on the market including Sig, Glock, Beretta, Springfield, FN, Taurus, Walther, Khar, S&W and many others. The new ammo is available now in 9mm, but the company says it plans to develop several more caliber options for the future in .380, .357, .40, .45 calibers and in shotgun slugs. I saw some 9mm today on a website for $242. for 20 rounds. Will you pay $12 a round for these?

R.I.P. 9mm- 20 Rounds

R.I.P. 9mm- 20 Rounds

Qualities and specifications for the new 9mm R.I.P. ammo, according to the manufacturer G2R, include:

  • 16-inch penetration
  • Up to 6-inch diameter spread
  • 96-grain projectile
  • 2-inch grouping at 25 yards
  • 1,265 FPS Velocity – 370-490 Muzzle Energy
  • 9 separate wound channels
  • Precision machined
  • Solid Copper – Lead-Free
  • Defeats all known barriers such as sheet metal, sheet rock, windshields, plywood, heavy winter clothing

Go to the G2R website to see some stunning videos and details.

Hope this has given you something to think about. I am interested in your ideas about this ammo. Continued success!

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  • Cobrawing

    Good Grief! A couple of thoughts. First this is going to wind up being a legal nightmare for any honest citizen using this stuff even legitimately. Second, the price is ridiculous ($240 for 20 rounds?). Finally, I would never use anything this exotic without first testing it my my particular weapon with hundreds of rounds first . . . but at this price point of $12 a round this could cost you a ridiculous $2,400.00 for just test firing 200 rounds. I’ll pass . . .

    • farmer0885

      I looked on the dealer sites and they are only $45 to $55 for twenty (but they are sold out). The $240 price was someone who managed to get some and is auctioning them.
      As far as using them I feel that if I find myself in a situation that is so dire that I need to shoot someone how much damage the bullet does is the last of my worries. I would hope that if it ever came to that I would have an airtight self defense claim.

      • 2ThinkN_Do2

        Only $45 to $55 for 20 rounds; that’s an easy 50% too much as well. You can get excellent defensive ammo from .50¢ to $1.50 a round in most all handgun calibers, except maybe those larger “real animal” calibers, like 454, 460 & 500.

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  • michaelwloos

    Risk vs reward. I will stay with standard JHP, especially at this price. I can’t imagine the nightmare of trying to explain this ammo in a court of law, at least not until LEO become the standard bearer for these types of defense rounds. Why would they name it something that ends up being R.I.P.? Again, tell a jury about that. Risk is too high, price is too high.

    Just my opinion, Stay Safe and Carry Responsibly

    • kiljoy616

      If your worry more about the jury than the killer standing in front of you, then your not thinking right. Hollow points where once though the same way, what if the 12 lame people on the jury don’t get it. Blah Blah Blah.

      Sorry but if your worry about juries then don’t carry and take your chances, this fear of what happens afterward is just not something people who carry should be worry about and it should never be part of your mind set.

      Example:
      Someone is attacking you with (insert weapon) you pull your .45acp oh my god your going to jail how dare you use such a big gun. See how dumb this sounds.

      Well its the same for this bullet, I could give a hoot what paranoid LEO are using or what a jury that is not my peers thinks. Not sure what kind of training you have, but do you really think your going to shoot once at anything coming for you. Anyone that would run if you fire your weapon once, means you really did not have to fire your weapon at all.

      I have 3 actual attacks on my person over a 30 years. 1 I used an arm snap and open hand blow to the jaw to deal with it never went for my pistol or knife. The other two putting my self in an aggressive stance and getting ready to pull my pistol ending the issue with them running for their lives, they did not have what it took to take on an aggressive and confident person or they did not have a weapon that they felt was equal. I count my self lucky on all 3 because it could have gone other ways. But at no time did I think, oh what if the jury does not like me.

      As for the ammo its is to expensive and is not going to stop anyone with one shot unless you hit a vital organ and any good hollow point will do the same thing. So for that reason I will not be wasting my money.

      Training is where people should put their money. Learn tactics and forget all this magic bullet one shot man stopper. You shoot an assailant until they go down and are no threat to you, period.

      • michaelwloos

        I won’t be thinking of the jury when it happens, only after. And I don’t need an over zealous prosecutor using a bullet configuration as the tipping point for filing charges on me. So, the only way to cross your T’s and dot your I’s is to think everything thru BEFORE the situation arises. This allows you to make the best decision you can under the circumstances that confront you. Then and only then can you “let the chips fall where they may.”

      • Teron

        Every weapon available to you as a home defender is also available to the home invader.
        Think about getting shot with a RIP in the head. Think about your children getting shot by a RIP bullet.

    • Dave Huller

      I agree. IMHO and based upon reading every article I could find over the last 12 months, the moment you use a modified weapon, especially a trigger job and use non-standard ammo, especially one named RIP, you have made your attorney’s job much tougher.

      • michaelwloos

        Exactly.

  • Bob Rice

    No,I will not use this ammo,I can stop a perp with one round of .38 caliber ammo,

  • EatDirtFartDust

    Utterly unnecessary. I still wanna see some YouTube videos though. Underwater and whatnot.

  • Gregory Lesniewski

    The cost is unheard of! WOW! I’ll stick with hollow points and get the same results—end of confrontation, for a HELL OF A LOT LESS!

    • Richard Erwin

      right on Brother Greg hollows will do the job

    • kiljoy616

      This ammo is for people who think owning a gun is all you need and that there has to be some magic bullet or handgun that will stop a person and throw them back like they see in the movies. Its a gimmick and nothing else. Any good hollow point will about the same without the theatrics.

      But I am sure plenty of people will buy it, so from a marketing point of view I give them kudos. Reminds me of the Zombie ammo, ROFL.

  • radiotom2

    Once you get to 6+ inches of penetration, the wound becomes very small. This is important for obvious reasons. In a general defensive situation, the attacker would be facing you, thus the vitals being further into the target from your perspective. This ammo dumps all of its damaging effects too early. Would your attacker bleed out quicker with this ammo? Probably. But during a fight I’m not going to be waiting for that. Look up the gel tests for yourself and you’ll see what I mean.

    • Bob

      I did view a few ballistics gel tests, and I fully agree.

      This round will create a nasty looking and very painful wound near the surface, but it is much less effective at stopping the threat.

  • RedRiverD

    I find this type of bullet reprehensible. There seems to be NO logical need for such a devastating and potentially damaging type of bullet in my arsenal. Buck shot would be just as effective in my mind.

  • Mike

    The truth about guns tested these in ballistic gel. The results were underwhelming to say the least.

  • Politiwars

    Expensive and unproven in the actual field. There would have to be tested with literally hundreds of rounds shot at different angles, in multiple scenarios, in multiple types of guns, to convince me these are consistently effective. I was not impressed with the ballistics gel tests. Seems to me this is a solution looking for a problem.

  • Bob

    I meant to vote No, but did not want to give your authenticating software my friends list. Get another authenticator.

    The G2 RIP ammo is all hype and not really that deadly. The trocars separate at way too shallow a depth, causing a nasty looking and painful , but minor flesh wound. Then the rest of the bullet continues into the body, but it is smaller than the standard 9mm hollow point bullet. The deep penetrating part of the wound is smaller, so less likely to be fatal or incapacitating.

    They also are very expensive.

  • S A Little

    I carry talons in my 9 mm now and I will buy these and carry them in all my concealed weapons. Money is not a concern when is my safety is at stake and I worry about the law if and when the time comes.

  • KenInMontana

    Gimmicky junk, expensive gimmicky junk.

  • geezer117

    I carry .380. I need deep penetration. I’ll stick with Buffalo Bore, thanks.

    • Reb Biker

      That is exactly why I carry Buffalo Bore flat point / truncated cone rounds. With more powerful calibers you can have expansion and penetration. With the .380 you can have expansion or penetration. The choice should be obvious to all. I don’t understand why people debate it.

      • kiljoy616

        Same reason so many debate the one shot man stopper magical 45acp people like to fantasize and debate.

    • marshallbrinson

      I also have a .380 that I carry occasionally…but keep Hornady Critical Defense in it. They are 1000 FPS Rounds and have performed well in gel test with penetration and expansion.

  • blogengeezer

    Looks like something like the Kukri blades, from the glitzy martial arts mags that intrigue young novice wanna b’s. Novice wanna b’s with money to burn. Holmes (Aurora theater) with his lavish, unaccounted for, govt education funding used to purchase his expensive arsenal and buy ‘pupil resizing’ drugs? Yup, he’d buy ’em..

    • dave

      You notice that about his eyes, eh? Same as Adam Lanza, Jared Loughner, and other mass shooters. I wonder how many of them knew they were taking such stuff – and who were their handlers?

      • blogengeezer

        Primarily all were on-off (off being the ‘launch’ switch) SSRI’s. Lanza…Fanapt. Formerly they were harmless individuals. Depression was their ambient state. SSRI’s prescribed and govt subsidized, created Bi-polar Jaeger’ (Pacific Rim) robots, that when Serotonin levels dropped dramatically, predictably became emotional ‘flat liners’. Brings the “Don’t give S—” attitude to a whole new chemically assisted apex.

        This entire govt, naively or purposely created scenario of ‘The Great Society’, makes a cognizant citizen somewhat alert to the fact that perpetual govt ‘assistance’ historically creates far more problems than it ever solves. Thus the necessity for universal concealed carry. Even large numbers of politicians know the score and are increasingly CC. Susanna Martinez (R), reality savvy New Mexico Gov, is just one of many..

  • Joe Sobotka

    I agree with Cobrawing. If, god forbid, I ever had to shoot someone in self defense and got involved in a civil case the other lawyer would have a field day with the name R.I.P. bullet and also they way they’re aggresively promoting it. Second, I feel they’re unsafe for innocent bystanders the way they fragment. Meaning if you hit their arm instead of their body couldn’t some of those fragments be directed elsewhere? Third simply to expensive. Fourth, my 9mm HP’s should serve me just fine. Also, every ammo I buy I like to test out at the range with my various 9mm firearms and these are just too darn expensive to do that.

    • Joe Sobotka

      It would also be a nightmare for a surgeon….

  • Reb Biker

    P.T. Barnum was right. There really is a sucker born every minute. This is a totally useless gimmick aimed solely at the gullible. Every claim in their promotional video is false. It will drill through a car windshield like a hole saw? What a joke. It will explode on contact with a windshield, and the small solid base of the bullet may make it through if it’s lucky. Bullet fragmentation is exactly what you DON’T want in a self-defense round, and it makes bullets far LESS able to penetrate objects. That’s why bullet makers created bonded bullets when the technology became available.

    If they had marketed this bullet as being designed to be used in crowded spaces like airplanes where it will stay inside of people and do less harm to innocent bystanders, it may have been believable. That is the only scenario I can think of in which this gimmick would be useful, but the Glaser Safety Slug does an even better job of protecting other passengers because there are no little slivers of copper flying around. Therefore, this bullet is 100% absolutely useless.

  • bk

    Low muzzle energy and a light for caliber projectile will not penetrate 16″ as they claim. This is a new take on “ultra-mag” and other worthless gimmick ammo. Massive surface trauma with inadequate penetration.

  • pcnotpc

    Don’t you know this will become the new “cop killer” ammunition? And ER doctors will lobby to ban it or anything like it since they will be the ones digging all those shards out of their patients. I can also see the personal injury lawyers jumping all over this, claiming it is overkill to shoot their innocent (yeah, right) client with this deadly bullet. It’s a potential legal nightmare.

  • marshallbrinson

    NOPE!!! Not a chance! Over 40 bucks for 20…and totally unproven…NOPE! I will stick with Hornady Critical Defense or Federal Hydra-Shock…two totally proven rounds. I will spend that extra cost at the range staying proficient with my handguns! Prove it in the real world…and I may reconsider! I do understand the cost…since each bullet is made individually…but not now!!

    • kiljoy616

      lol same ones I use. a kindred spirit.

      Training that is where people should put their money, which of course they don’t.

      • marshallbrinson

        I have about 4000 rounds of ammo in my vehicle for Range Time. That is in varying calibers of course. About 2000 in 5.56 for AR and the rest pistol ammo. At least two trips to range a month…and try for more…depending on weather. Girlfriend accompanies me on most range trips to keep up her aim. Nothing, no fancy bullet or one stop .45 makes up for practice and consistency in shot placement.

  • David

    Sounds like the best possible way to go to prison for defending yourself perfectly within the law.

  • dave

    I was kind of impressed – the fragments have the ability to go off at an angle and cut an artery, so your attacker may bleed out before the EMT can even arrive (even if you call for one right away). But I’m also impressed by the cost – to the point where I’ll stick with buckshot at home and JSP for carry. Hell, I can shoot 5 or more rounds of anything for the cost of one of these, and you can even buy segmented .22 LR now. I just can’t afford to practice with this stuff, and don’t want to carry anything I don’t practice with.

  • Tony Drolson

    i don’t need anything like this . it is bad enough already and i could get in enough trouble as it is if i shot somebody. this is stupid. anything to make money.

  • grif

    All we can hope is that this company will go out of business very quicky do to horendous sales. I’m also concerned about the possible legal ramifications but more so I’m concerned about the flashy but ultimately dismal performance persuading uneducated people to purchase this worthless garbage and believe they are good to go, don’t practice, don’t train and in the end, are a danger to themselves and others.

  • emerson1248

    They are way to expensive for me. If our country gets to the point that I feel the need for a round like this then I will just take them from a dead government agent after they declare war against me…

  • James Van Valkenburg

    As an experiment on what can be done, bravo, for a military application, seems ideal. How does it stand up to level II or III body armor?

    For the civilians not a good choice for the many reasons already stated. I would fear this round in some of the “want-a-be”‘s I see at the range. I am old fashion and believe that shot placement is prime, I do not need a round that has 9 wound paths, just 2 in the heart and one in the head will do just fine.

    • Paul Donovan

      “The R.I.P. will not defeat level 3A body armor; that was one of our main goals when designing this bullet.”

      This means it probably also will not defeat level 3 (hard armor), since 3A is a soft armor.

      I’m with you, but I also don’t think the military should buy (they’ll do the research I’m sure). I think this is more gimmicky than anything. I’d rather have 100 rounds of JHP than 20 rounds of this, for the money.

      • James Van Valkenburg

        So, R.I.P. will not defeat level 3? Hmm, so for the money my 7.62×25 CZ-52 is just a efficient against level 2 and dirt cheap – well, at least it was this time last year.

  • Larry

    If a person is in fear of life or lives lost, is it or should
    it even be a concern as to how much damage the assailant incurs, as long as the
    threat is stopped. It seems as though we as a society care more about
    protecting the bad guy, so we can ask him or her, why they attempted what they
    did.

    If the bad guy dies, we should look at it as
    saving taxpayer dollars in years of incarceration! Why should we put more
    emphasis on the bad guy than we do the victim/ defendee. If the bad guys
    realize that they don’t get all the perks of 3 meals, like comrades, free
    medical, and even $250,000 sex change operations paid for by the tax payers; it
    just might start to deter a few from attempting the victimization of law
    abiding citizens!

    People use too embrace the good guys, like Roy
    Rodgers, Tom Mix, the Lone Ranger and many more: Now the villain or bad guy is
    put on a pedestal and or rooted for and even immortalized.

    The bad guys are willing to gamble their lives
    against the odds of their elicited goals and accomplishments: lest we do the
    same to protect ourselves, our loved ones, friends and even a stranger? They
    would not care if you or your loved ones were lying on the floor in a pool of
    blood!

    Jesus said”No greater love that a man has;
    than to give his live for another.”

    So with all of these thoughts in mind; why
    should anyone give a damn how the bad guys get stopped; as long as they are
    stopped and as the “Ole Saying Goes”: “Dead in their
    tracks”, if that just happens to be the case!

  • nospam

    cool gimmick, but I’ll stick with proven 200-grain P+ Red Dots in my .45

    Maybe in a bunch of years, when someone else has taken on the risk and experimented with their own safety and proven not only effectiveness and benefit to these rounds but also their legal defensibility I’ll consider them. When hollowpoints first came out people who used them in self defense were prosecuted for premeditated murder under the thinking that you made the decision to kill someone because you bought hollowpoints instead of regular bullets. Stupid, yes, but still happened…and I don’t want to be the person sitting in jail having to defend my actions while the law is tested.

    Maybe if you’re carrying a smaller caliber like 380 or 9mm and you don’t shoot as much as I do so you’re not that steady with it…but I know I can draw my .45 and put a round in the 10-ring. So can my wife. I just don’t see the point. The only situation I could see an advantage to a round like this is for my .22 mag pocket revolver. I don’t expect much from it, but it’s better than nothing…and if they made this round in .22 mag I’d probably buy some…but they don’t make it in .22 mag, or .25 or .32 the only calibers where it MIGHT be a real advantage.

  • Gregory Tbd

    I’m thinking gimmick kind of like the black talons from a few years ago. Be fun to have one just for my collection though. I’ll stick with proven jhps.

  • fritz92314

    I agree that it may cause too much damage to use it as a self defence round.

  • tyler

    I watched the videos. The petals break off like they say. but seem to go no farther than 6 inches or so, then the center core continues on, with a fairly unimpressive wound channel. So what you have is a bunch of little fletchets creating tiny wound channels and one, fairly light core that travels deep but has next to no mass left and a slender wound channel, since there are no petals left to continue with the core of the round. oh and a nightmare in court…I love innovation so only time will tell as people get their hands on these rounds and actually test them in different media with variations in barriers.

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