Should You Carry with a Round in the Chamber?

Should You Carry with a Round in the Chamber?

By Brandon – Republished with Permission from Concealed Nation.

Yes.

But why?

Because this:

And this:

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  • will_ford

    If you do not carry with one in the chamber leave the damn weapon at home. ITS A CLUB. carry a bat.

    • Russell Buck

      will, I agree with you to an extent, but remember not everyone wants to jump in the water all at once. Some will get their license and not carry at all…for awhile. Some will work up to condition one. As long as they get there….

      • Steven

        You CAN’T enter a gunfight gradually. You are either ALL IN, or not in at all. Anything else is suicide.

        • Mikial

          @disqus_H5TWuWTppc:disqus
          Well said! The bad guy is not going to give you the opportunity to work into defending yourself gradually. For a short time i carried without one in the chamber, but then, I realized the truth is that you do not always have time to rack and decided enough of that BS. I carry a G21 or an XD45 locked and loaded at all times.

          • will_ford

            WELL SAID STEVEN & MIKIAL

      • will_ford

        Russ as you know you DO NOT have time to rack a slide in the HEAT of the moment. It ALWAYS happens to fast.

        • Russell Buck

          I do understand this. I carry with one in the pipe daily. please review the Noir video. For some people, It’s a step-by step process to the point where they carry daily and with confidence enough to go locked and loaded. Let’s encourage these people to begin the journey.

          • will_ford

            said all i need to say

  • arte vespule

    Always carry with a round in the chamber. In fact my every day carry keeps a round in the chamber 24/7 except for cleaning and range time…

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  • DaveinUtah

    Here in Utah, a gun with a full magzine but no round in the chamber is an Unloaded Firearm.

    • Mikial

      That’s actually correct. Utah Code states gun is only loaded when there is a round in line with the chamber (I used to be a Probation Officer there). And an empty gun might as well be no gun.

      • But you can load it in 2 seconds flat, I wouldn’t call it empty.
        A Glock has no safety lever, nor would I want one for reliability issues.
        I am the worry wort kind and the way I carry points at my “privates”.

        • Steven

          If you HAVE 2 seconds to load, the threat is not sufficiently imminent to justify pulling a gun.

          • Are you insane ?

          • Steven

            I am perfectly sane. YOU have no idea how quickly a gunfight occurs. Two seconds is an ETERNITY in a gunfight. Add the time required to draw, and MOST gun fights would be over before YOU took your first shot.

          • This is not the wild west Billy. Yes, I understand time during a war, that’s different.
            When I start to open carry, I’ll keep it ready to fire.
            Until then, concealment of weapon will buy me time to get cover or concealment before firing. I also don’t wear a uniform so I am not an instant target.

          • This is not the wild west Billy. Yes, I understand time during a war, that’s different.
            When I start to open carry, I’ll keep it ready to fire.
            Until then, concealment of weapon will buy me time to get cover or concealment before firing. I also don’t wear a uniform so I am not an instant target.

        • Mikial

          I carry my G21 locked and loaded. I have owned it since 2003 and I have never had any kind of NG with it. Alternately, I carry an XD45 locked and loaded. The secret is to have a quality holster that protects the trigger and have your head screwed on straight any time you are touching the gun. I use either a Crossbreed or an Alien Gear IWB holster that completely covers the trigger (I prefer the Crossbreed), but when I pull either gun out, all I have to do is pull the trigger.

          Bang.

          • All I know is I have the waistband soft holster, it covers the trigger, I purchased belt holsters that I cannot pull the gun out of at all or complicate the draw process.

          • Mikial

            If you are looking for an IWB holster, please check out Crossbreed or even Alien Gear. They are kydex rigid holsters with a leather or synthetic backing and they are very secure to hold and protect the gun and trigger, yet very easy to draw when needed.

        • BenAround

          I like the Springfields with the passive grip and trigger safeties (EDC is XD mod 2 subcompact 9mm 13+1). Always a round in the chamber, of course. The gun is hot as soon as it is gripped and the finger is on the trigger. No time will be wasted fumbling with a safety lever or racking the slide. I also use a Kydex trigger guard holster (IWB) which prevents anything from engaging the trigger until the gun clears the waistband.

          • Is there a danger of those safeties locking up the gun when needed ?

          • BenAround

            As I mentioned, I have 3 different Springfield models with the grip and trigger safeties. I have disassembled the XDs .45 twice (once before and once after the recall) to put in a spring kit to lighten the trigger pull from 8 lbs to about 6 lbs. Both the 9mm XDs and the XD subcompact mod 2 appear to have triggers in the 5.5 lbs to 6 lbs range, which I find acceptable for a carry piece–the action is especially nice on the mod 2 which I think is due to it having a single action. The installation of the XDs spring kit involves removing and replacing the springs on both safeties. It certainly appeared to me that there would be zero chance of either safety malfunctioning. And I have experienced no events of that kind in practice. Neither have I seen anything in the internet comments about the safety malfunctioning. The only concern I have seen mentioned is that an improper grip might fail to fully depress the grip safety. So, there are those who have a higher profile grip safety lever installed to reduce that risk and others who disable it by taping it down or pinning it (which I would not recommend). My feeling is that I greatly prefer the extra margin of reduced risk of damage to my nether parts that the grip safety affords and I feel far more confident in my ability to get a proper grip on the weapon in a stress situation than I do that I will make the correct move to disengage a manual safety–especially given that manual safeties can be differently actuated, differently located, and directionally diverse from one manufacturer and model to the next. So, while I carry the Springfields–knowing that they all work the same–I enjoy taking the Sig p938, the Ruger and Beretta .22s, and the FN FNX .45 to the range (all of which have manual safeties). I would heartily recommend the p938 to the ladies as a “purse gun.” For the purse, we could talk about some combo of safeties and trigger guards. Nobody wants to see the 3 year old banging away with mom’s gun from the shopping cart.

          • Mikial

            @cyberats:disqus
            No, it is rare in the extreme for anything like that to happen. But, remember, a gun is a machine and any machine can fail. But I’ve never had one fail or lock up due to the safety. I had an ammo failure with my XD once. The primer disintegrated when the striker pin hit it instead of going off. The gun locked up because it couldn’t extract the bad round. I called the factory and they talked me through the best way to work it open and in a few minutes i was back in business.

            But this also why I carry a back-up gun. My BUG is a PF9 in a pocket holster on my left side. This way I can access it if my EDC fails or if my right hand is disabled.

          • Soon as I get a source of income, again, I’ll be able to re-enforce.

          • Mikial

            I hear ya’, Brother. We all have to balance things in this imperfect world, which is why I never dog people who buy inexpensive but reliable guns like Hi Points or ATI’s. You do the best with what you have. Practice, prepare . . and most of all, carry every day. Never give up . . . never surrender.

        • DaveinUtah

          @cyberats:disqus; In Utah you do not need a permit to carry an un loaded gun.
          Also, It takes two hands to “load” the gun when no round is in the chamber. That is the way the statute is written.

          • Ok, got it, thanks for the info.

          • BenAround

            Unless you are one of those Rambo dudes who can “load” it by racking the slide on the edge of the holster while doing a combat shoulder roll. 🙂

        • BenAround

          Glock has a trigger safety only that the user can control. Similar to the trigger safety on the Springfield. They tout two other “safeties” but those are not exposed to the user and are ostensibly to prevent accidental discharge when the trigger is not being activated–i.e.; if the gun is dropped or otherwise disturbed.

  • Evan

    I carry with a round in the chamber, but have a safety and a hammer to pull back. I believe it takes about the same amount of time to chamber a round as it does to pull the hammer and flip the safety, so my thought is to have the hammer cocked and just the safety on. With my conceal holster, the safety and trigger are well covered. Does anyone else have thoughts on this?

    • Mike

      Evan; if it takes about the same amount of time to get your gun “in condition” as it does to rack the slide, you’re also more than likely not going to have enough time. Hammer cocked & safety on (“condition one” for 1911-style guns) is commonly accepted and safe. Just remember you MUST train to drop the safety WHILE you’re getting on target – not after.

  • Michael Petrizzo

    Like Colion, I used to keep the chamber empty…out of fear. As I grew and became more confident of my skills and gun-handling abilities, one day I thought “this is silly!” Ever since I’ve carried +1.

    You should not carry with a round in the chamber if it makes you uncomfortable. So, if you are keeping the chamber empty for “safety” reasons (like Colion and I were), continue to do so…but make it a point to check the trigger status every night before you go to bed. After you’ve observed that you’ve carried the weapon for 100 days or so and, not once, did the trigger ever trip on its own, you’ll begin to see the wisdom in carrying with one in the chamber. But again; don’t do it until you are confident in your abilities.

  • Hivetyrant36

    I don’t carry as of yet because I live with parents and never go anywhere unless its a store with looooots of people. Eventually though, I will.

    • Mikial

      I don’t know what your age is, so maybe you cannot legally carry yet. But if you can, please consider this . . . many crimes and mass shootings occur where there are lots of people. Universities, shopping malls and even ZombieCon.

      • Hivetyrant36

        24. And I tend to try to keep away from publicly announced gun free zones.

        • Mikial

          A wise decision. I think we can avoid many, if not most gun free zones (I never go to theaters) but there will occasionally be times when we can’t carry. That’s when we have to exercise one heck of a lot of situational awareness and always have a plan for what we’ll do if the worst happens.

  • Proper distance is important. She let him get too close to begin with. In aikido it’s called maai. She should have taken a step back.

    • Mikial

      Agreed. He was a threat as soon as he entered her garage.

  • Tug

    I carry condition 2 which is the hammer down on a loaded chamber it’s just as fast for me to thumb back the hammer as it is for me to flick off the safety on my 1911.
    Semper Piratus Molon Labe

    • BenAround

      I love the 1911. It’s a nostalgic piece of history for me with my USMC background. It is a pretty gun, highly accurate, and thin enough to conceal in most cases–particularly the shorter versions designed for that purpose. However, when I decided to carry concealed, I looked carefully at the 1911 and went with a striker fired pistol with no manual safety and no hammer to worry about cocking or not cocking or to hang up in the draw. I understand that every one of those issues can be dealt with effectively through intensive discipline and training but the fact that we are talking about hammers and safeties illustrates exactly why I didn’t go nostalgic. It’s the difference between a point and shoot camera and the full manual models. I don’t want to be worrying about any of those things in a moment of extreme stress. I want the point and shoot. I do have an FNX with similar hammer/safety considerations but I don’t carry it unless I am expecting some heavy threat (i.e.; hiking in bear country). And it holds twice the number of .45 rounds as the 1911.

  • If the knife attacker is that close & fast you need proper martial arts training, drawing will not give you the upper hand a firearm brings to a knife fight.

    • Mikial

      If you do not have a round in the chamber, and I am within 20 feet of you with a knife . . . you are mine. Period.

  • Frank Randall

    Thank you, thank you, thank you !!! I am one who has been carrying with an empty chamber purely for extra safety to those family and friends around me. But, I have often wondered about this and have seen the error in my ways. That punk ass thug probably has a loaded chamber, so why not me ? I feel confident enough knowing my weapons, to be ” hot ” from now on.

    • DaveinUtah

      Just remember, Always carry in a holster that covers the entire trigger guard. People shoot themselves by accidentally getting a finger into the guard. Especially if you carry in a pocket, carry in a holster like the Sticky brand soft holsters. They cover your trigger guard and are just tacky enough to stay in you pocket when you need to draw.
      Before anyone asks, yes I do sell Sticky Holsters at Color Country Firearms. BUT, I personally use them for my carry weapons, usually my G26 with the extended magazine.

    • George Spaulding

      I have often noted we should extend to the bad guys the same courtesies they extend to us…and carry chambered.

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  • orbits2 .

    Get a revolver and avoid all this nonsense

    • DaveinUtah

      My problem with wheel guns is only 5-6 rounds.

      • BenAround

        Yup. They have only one advantage. Fewer moving parts makes them slightly more reliable. Might consider as a backup piece. Kind of like a backup parachute. You really don’t want it as a primary but you really want it to be super reliable when the main fails.

    • Mikial

      Revolvers are fine. Lower ammo capacity, slower than a pistol to reload, and unless you thumb the hammer back on a SA/DA the first shot is DA, so much stiffer. For me, I’d stick with S&W or Ruger, but not the ultralight models.

      • BenAround

        All shots are either stiffer (DA) or require a hammer pull (SA) on a revolver.

        That drawback plus the extra width, higher felt recoil (at equal muzzle energies), lower capacity, and longer reload times put the revolver user out of the semi-auto “nonsense” frying pan and into a revolving fire. Two revolvers carried openly might almost approach the self-defense effectiveness of a well-chosen semi-automatic–given that skill and all other factors are equal. Add just one extra magazine to pouch or pocket and the firepower balance tips irrevocably in favor of the semi-auto user.

  • zippiest

    I used to carry round in. Then when I switched to glock I changed for safety reasons. Then in the last year or so, Maybe it’s the dreams I have where my gun goes click instead of bang, I exclusivity carry round in again.

  • Timothy Dunkleberger

    i drive a big truck and not allowed to carry due to the company i work for and most of them wont let us carry i have been held at gun point at this point i will be carrying no matter what they say

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